Match Reaction vs Swansea

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I still think your coming from the approach that I'm defending Wenger

I just think its a nonsense to say we are one of the best run clubs in the world

You say how he needs to be removed

Who are the ones preventing that from happening?

I'm sure the majority shareholder has influence but the Board are ultimately those who decide who should be the manager.

If they are not happy with him, they have the option to remove him or at least put pressure on him

If they are happy with him, what does it say about them?

The youth set up you describe is also stale and the Academy system is not producing to the standard required, it is an example of the clubs neglect.

Wengers unchallenged control of everything football wise at the club, is also a result of the clubs neglect.

By offering Wenger a new contract it is a tacit approval of everything he's done and the unchecked power he has.

Can they then be trusted to not only appoint a new man, but give that man the support he needs when they have overseen Wengers bungling with total indifference.

[Power n Glory]

How have they not supported the manager? Again, they've kept Wenger in charge because we needed stability through the transition and the target was 4th. They've wrongly given him a new contract because they believe he'd be even better with the new sponsorship money. That's no crime because most of us thought the same.

And why is it nonsense to say we are the best run clubs? Whose better than us in the Premiership? Name names.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

How have they not supported the manager? Again, they've kept Wenger in charge because we needed stability through the transition and the target was 4th. They've wrongly given him a new contract because they believe he'd be even better with the new sponsorship money. That's no crime because most of us thought the same.

And why is it nonsense to say we are the best run clubs? Whose better than us in the Premiership? Name names.

Name me a club in the premiership where the manager has total and unchecked power and is allowed to appoint his own boss.

if you think that's an example of a club being well run than you and I differ in our opinion of the term

By arguing that the manager was perceived safe pair of hands during a period where money was tight you fall into the trap of judging his performance after only a short period of time with money to spend.

If you're saying the board made this decision for the reason your saying, then arguably you'd have to cede that he'd need to be given time.....something I don't think you believe.

[Power n Glory]

Wenger is the longest serving coach in the Prem! Probably in Europe because so many manager swaps.

The only manager to rival that was Fergie and he had loads of power at Utd but he delegated. That's the difference.

Name names and don't cop out.

[Power n Glory]

Also, I don't think you'll find many top clubs around that have to tell a manager what they should be doing to get results on the pitch.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenger is the longest serving coach in the Prem! Probably in Europe because so many manager swaps.

The only manager to rival that was Fergie and he had loads of power at Utd but he delegated. That's the difference.

Name names and don't cop out.

Do you think anyone at United would have allowed Ferguson unchecked power?

Personally I think any club is better run than ours as long as it hasn't gone to the opposite extreme of appointing a director of football.

The board have no control over any football aspect of the club, they have deferred totally to one man

I blame Dein for the current mess because he brought Kroenke and Usmanov to the table but at least when people like him, Danny Fiszman, Ken Friar and Keith Edelman were about there was a definite sense of structure and hierarchy. The board now there is a total disconnect between them and the footballing aspect and in that vaccum Wenger has made himself a little tin God

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Also, I don't think you'll find many top clubs around that have to tell a manager what they should be doing to get results on the pitch.

I agree but they have given unparalleled authority to someone who clearly does need telling

[Power n Glory]

Do you think anyone at United would have allowed Ferguson unchecked power?

Personally I think any club is better run than ours as long as it hasn't gone to the opposite extreme of appointing a director of football.

The board have no control over any football aspect of the club, they have deferred totally to one man

I blame Dein for the current mess because he brought Kroenke and Usmanov to the table but at least when people like him, Danny Fiszman, Ken Friar and Keith Edelman were about there was a definite sense of structure and hierarchy. The board now there is a total disconnect between them and the footballing aspect and in that vaccum Wenger has made himself a little tin God

Ferguson went to war with the main shareholder of Man Utd over a damn racehorse and didn't lose his job! How's that for unchecked power? I'm sure if he wanted to be more hands on like Wenger he could, but the key to good leadership is delegation.

As for our club being one of the worst run, you're smoking. You truly have lost the plot on that one. We spend within our means, make a profit, make a killing at the gates, London based, a 60 seat stadium...there is no way this would be possible if we didn't have the right people to see this through, Wenger included. You are smoking, my friend.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

There's an old adage back home which says, "empty barrels make the most noise".

H_C_Z does appear to give loads of credence to this adage, imho.

What more do you expect from someone that defends wenger and still thinks he's the right man for the job

Luckily some of us see sense.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Plus it's a bit rich coming from someone who advocates the Chelsea approach to hiring and firing managers

It's an excellent approach that clearly works