January Transfer Speculation and Shit

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I don't have too much trouble with it but there's going to be criticism until we plug the glaring holes.

[Niall_Quinn]

NQ loses again.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...pass_length#90

With Matic for comparison, the midfielder considered to be the most effective in the role at present. And then Fabregas for comparison to an attacking midfielder. Arteta plays more backward passes than both, but only because he plays more total passes than both. In fact he compares favourably with Fabregas in terms of forward passes and he blows both the chavs out of the water in terms of getting his passes to team mates. Again it's facts vs perception, some fans just focus in on the bad and dismiss the good. Then they present their perceptions as facts.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Yawn.

Same stats that made Denilson sound great but look shit.

With Matic we'd improve 10 fold.

[Niall_Quinn]

As one claim gets knocked down the next springs up. The claim was Arteta passes backwards and sideways all the time. The facts say no, that's not true. Whether we'd be better off with Matic is not what was being discussed. Probably not, as Wenger insists on a system where accuracy in passing is paramount and would likely ask him to do the same job as Arteta. Then everyone would jump on Matic's back for being "shit".

[Globalgunner]

As one claim gets knocked down the next springs up. The claim was Arteta passes backwards and sideways all the time. The facts say no, that's not true. Whether we'd be better off with Matic is not what was being discussed. Probably not, as Wenger insists on a system where accuracy in passing is paramount and would likely ask him to do the same job as Arteta. Then everyone would jump on Matic's back for being "shit".

You let yourself down when you defend integral elements of a system while criticising the system as a whole. Our play is crap, you yourself say this. Why this emotional, perpetual defense of Arteta?. He is a player wholly unsuited to the job given to him. We would be miles better as a team if we changed just one thing and that is our DM. Arteta would not pine away and die if he was forced to join another team. We are not supposed to be a retirement home for diminished capacity players. Arteta/Flamini are both a weak link in this team as is the inept manager who plays them out of blind loyalty. From your devotion to individuals I can clearly see that you would be as crap a manager as Wenger keeping players for personal rather than sporting reasons.

We need to break this cycle. Every player needs to be the best we can afford in his position. If that were the case this would be a much happier fan site no doubt. No point excusing Arteta saying, well hes not a DM. Would you excuse a Gynecologist who made a mess of your heart surgery?

[Dein-machine]

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...pass_length#90

With Matic for comparison, the midfielder considered to be the most effective in the role at present. And then Fabregas for comparison to an attacking midfielder. Arteta plays more backward passes than both, but only because he plays more total passes than both. In fact he compares favourably with Fabregas in terms of forward passes and he blows both the chavs out of the water in terms of getting his passes to team mates. Again it's facts vs perception, some fans just focus in on the bad and dismiss the good. Then they present their perceptions as facts.

NQ, in your own threads this year you have moaned about the constant tippy tappy football getting us nowhere - Arteta is a part of this. He drops back to take the ball of the defence & then plays a 15 yard pass to another CM, they then pass it back to him & he plays another 15 yard pass to the other CM, it goes back to him again but this time he's under pressure so he turns & it goes back to Merts. This means he has just made three 15 yard passes that a monkey could have made & we are basically back to where we were. This is what makes he stats look positive when in fact its stopping us as an attacking team.
As we know, most teams set up very defensively against us especially at the Emirates. There is no reason to have Arteta running back into his own half to take a 10 yard pass from a defender to then make a 15 yard pass to another midfielder. Our defenders can take the ball up to & sometimes beyond the half way line unchallenged & make the forward pass themselves. Arteta is simply slowing this process up, we are overplaying.
I am a great lover of watching football played on the deck & at pace. Watching Barca on TV during recent years has been a pleasure. However they wouldn't have had so much success trying to play that way in the EPL. Most goals these days are coming from more direct football or set pieces. I saw the 1st Spanish goal last night against Luxembourg, right back hit a long ball towards Spanish striker, defender wins header but it drops 30 yards out to the on-running Silva who shoots & scores - thats Spain against Luxembourg, even Spain aren't trying to walk to ball into the net.

[Power n Glory]

You let yourself down when you defend integral elements of a system while criticising the system as a whole. Our play is crap, you yourself say this. Why this emotional, perpetual defense of Arteta?. He is a player wholly unsuited to the job given to him. We would be miles better as a team if we changed just one thing and that is our DM. Arteta would not pine away and die if he was forced to join another team. We are not supposed to be a retirement home for diminished capacity players. Arteta/Flamini are both a weak link in this team as is the inept manager who plays them out of blind loyalty. From your devotion to individuals I can clearly see that you would be as crap a manager as Wenger keeping players for personal rather than sporting reasons.

We need to break this cycle. Every player needs to be the best we can afford in his position. If that were the case this would be a much happier fan site no doubt. No point excusing Arteta saying, well hes not a DM. Would you excuse a Gynecologist who made a mess of your heart surgery?

[Power n Glory]

NQ, in your own threads this year you have moaned about the constant tippy tappy football getting us nowhere - Arteta is a part of this. He drops back to take the ball of the defence & then plays a 15 yard pass to another CM, they then pass it back to him & he plays another 15 yard pass to the other CM, it goes back to him again but this time he's under pressure so he turns & it goes back to Merts. This means he has just made three 15 yard passes that a monkey could have made & we are basically back to where we were. This is what makes he stats look positive when in fact its stopping us as an attacking team.
As we know, most teams set up very defensively against us especially at the Emirates. There is no reason to have Arteta running back into his own half to take a 10 yard pass from a defender to then make a 15 yard pass to another midfielder. Our defenders can take the ball up to & sometimes beyond the half way line unchallenged & make the forward pass themselves. Arteta is simply slowing this process up, we are overplaying.
I am a great lover of watching football played on the deck & at pace. Watching Barca on TV during recent years has been a pleasure. However they wouldn't have had so much success trying to play that way in the EPL. Most goals these days are coming from more direct football or set pieces. I saw the 1st Spanish goal last night against Luxembourg, right back hit a long ball towards Spanish striker, defender wins header but it drops 30 yards out to the on-running Silva who shoots & scores - thats Spain against Luxembourg, even Spain aren't trying to walk to ball into the net.

Indeed. It's a flawed argument. Complain about the whole tippy tappy approach but defend one of the biggest culprits that epitomises the style whilst using passing stats to defend his performances. Backwards.

[Özim]

Chelsea and Manchester United have been told they will need to pay £19m for out-of-favour Real Madrid defender Raphael Varane, 21, who is looking for a move in January.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/footb...Raphael-Varane

If he's available we absolutely have to sign him, he's top class and at 19 million a snip!

Inter Milan have opened discussions about taking Arsenal striker Joel Campbell, 22, on loan with a £7m option to make it permanent.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...mpbell-4617760

Oh dear, hope this is BS.

Arsenal have opened negotiations with Roma over a January transfer for striker Mattia Destro, 23.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/foo...-Mattia-Destro

Who?

Ron Vlaar, 29, has given Manchester United and Arsenal fresh hope of signing him after his agent confirmed the defender is likely to leave Aston Villa.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...target-4617993

No thanks.

Liverpool are preparing a £30m move for Porto striker Jackson Martinez, 28.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/footb...egaard-Montoya

Maybe we need to get in on the act.

[Dein-machine]

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...pass_length#90

With Matic for comparison, the midfielder considered to be the most effective in the role at present. And then Fabregas for comparison to an attacking midfielder. Arteta plays more backward passes than both, but only because he plays more total passes than both. In fact he compares favourably with Fabregas in terms of forward passes and he blows both the chavs out of the water in terms of getting his passes to team mates. Again it's facts vs perception, some fans just focus in on the bad and dismiss the good. Then they present their perceptions as facts.

Does your stats show how many of Arteta's passes were made in the final third as opposed to Fabregas.