Depends how much say he has, at the moment i suspect very little.Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I just fear that in Klopp there are similarities to Wenger a) tactical inflexibility and b) someone who is likely to build a cult of personality around himself
What we need is a captain on a touchline, someone who can be the leader that we don't have on the pitch....and whilst Klopp is very vocal and gesticular from the touchline i don't know how well that would translate.
Do you think Bould can make the transition to manager and earn the respect of the players after playing the 'yes man' for so long? After working day in day out with the players I really don't know if he's going to be able to stamp his authority once Wenger is out the door. The players have been used to the 'softly softly' approach and I doubt they'll respond to a more strict approach if that hasn't been his stance from first walking in the door.
Klopp at least has credentials behind him to back up his bark. Bould doesn't and I doubt he'd be able to be so heavy handed with them.
Who is talking about being heavy handed?.....and i think it's harsh on Bould to call him a yes man....put yourself in his shoes.....probably got tired of voicing his opinion and it being ignored, but if you think you have a chance of replacing the man currently in charge what would be the sense of storming off in a fit of pique?.
Would you agree that if Wenger was to go ASAP, that bringing in Klopp to replace him wouldn't be incredibly likely, and therefore bringing in Bould to the end of the season would be the most likely outcome?. Then you assess Bould on how he has performed in that interim period, and you decide whether to give him the chance to take on the job full time or go for someone with bigger credentials.
If we want a manager to get this team back on track, we need someone to be vocal and more strict which is more 'heavy handed' compared to Wenger's approach. How Bould would approach things as manager is all speculation and what he actually gets up to in training is also. But the results are there for all to see and he's part of this set up that's failing. Has to shoulder some of the blame.
You say it's harsh but I think you're being very harsh on Klopp. I'm not questioning the interim manager thing. I just don't see the logic on writing off Klopp, someone that's one a title, done the basics and gone beyond, yet you question his ability. Bould is failing in his current role as assistant manager but you're ok with him taking the manager role on. It makes no sense.
Of course it's speculative, and what i would specculate on is that there have been periods of times in the past two-three seasons where we have defended far better than we have at any time since we had the George Graham era back four, and then suddenly reverted to being a disorganised rabble....for instance in 2013 the last 11 games of the season we conceded five goals including the complete shut out of Bayern Munich in Germany....i'd be hard pressed to believe anyone but Bould was responsible for that. But i think it's part of a power struggle on the training ground.
There is also the clear instance of him lambasting Wenger on the touchline including "How many times must i say it to you". Plus you have the reports in the Independent after the Swansea game where the coaching staff are not happy, presumably because they are not being allowed to do their job.
If he thinks he is in with a shout of replacing Wenger probably he now thinks it's best just to shut up and say nothing, although saying that i'm reading Twitter rumors that this might no longer be the case and Bould is considering jacking it in at Arsenal, probably complete bollocks but you never know.
My concern with Klopp, is that Arsenal's no 1 priority is to sort out it's defence organisation and discipline....and perhaps at least in the short term we need someone more pragmatic and safety first.
Klopp is a more charismatic and extroverted version of Wenger, he believes in high tempo, pressing high up the pitch attacking football.
But then again maybe he's not as much as a micro manager as L'Ouisseau, maybe he would take a back seat and allow someone like Bould or another defensive coach to work on what we do when not in possession.
Actually I think Bould's heavy handed approach would work wonders with this lot, getting them into gear for the next 8 months, before someone like Klopp takes over in the summer.
As Henry Winter said (he is a prick but knows his stuff) noone has the balls to fire Wenger and it will have to be him resigning rather than the club firing him. Gazidis was hired by Wenger and just the other week he was on about dreading the day Wenger leaves because the board have no fucking clue what to do.
The man wont resign because he's always respected his contracts + he is way too stubborn to see that he is ruining his reputation and he club in the process.
I'd speculate on whether Bould wants to be a first team manager. He is 52. Does he want the manager role? Had this debate with another poster some years back and he pointed out his age and whether he even wanted the role when I suggested he could take over from Wenger. It's a good point. It's rather late for him to be getting into the game with just over a year's worth of experience as assistant manager. How old was Wenger when he arrived here? How old are Pep, Jose and Klopp? Bould might just be waiting on Wenger's contract to run down so he can work with another manager as assistant.
I was rooting for Bould to become assistant manager. I'd hope the defence would be sorted and we'd see more of his influence. But the reality is that hasn't happened. How much that is down to Wenger restricting his role, we don't know, but it's possible that Wenger is indeed restricting him to collecting cones during training. That's even more of a reason to question his management ability. How much has he learned in such a short period?
This all may sound harsh on Bould, but I think we need to be realistic. We're comparing a man that's struggling in the assistant role with no first team management experience to someone with a very solid record at Dortmund. The ideal version of Bould as manager vs someone that has real management experience and accomplishments. I think it's harsh to knock Klopp's record but then nominate Bould. The ideal and imagined version of Bould as manager will always sound good. Similar to how I thought he'd flourish as assistant manager.
I wouldn't mind him as a stop gap for someone like Klopp. But he'd have to pull off some really impressive results if we're talking about a full time role over Klopp. It goes beyond sorting out the defence. I'd be pissed with the Board if they passed up on Klopp for Bould.
You could be right in respect of Boulds age but after Wenger I am not keen on the idea of another manager being in charge for years upon years.
But yes you could be right that he may want to be assistant under a new Manager and perhaps he would be retained in that position if someone like Klopp came in.
To be honest though I get the impression Gazidis is looking for someone he is more likely to have control over and will work within the coaching framework he is looking to set up (Jonker and Forsythe being his appointments) and this is why names like Paul Clement being mooted. I get the impression that whilst he knows he has no leverage over Wenger, he is the one who will be in charge of his successor.
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