Granit Xhaka (official)

[Niall_Quinn]

Absolute loon!

So you want to believe. But the fact remains, by banning people from speaking you do not also prevent them thinking or feeling. Crazed liberals seem to believe that if you can coerce people into behaving in a certain way then you will eventually mentally beat them into believing in the purpose and intent behind that behaviour. Not so, in fact you get the opposite. All bar the braindead hang on to their beliefs grimly. We have seen this time and again throughout history. I can't prove it but I'd still be prepared to guarantee that not a single racist has ever changed their views by being coerced. Education is another thing, of course, and the correct way to go about influencing and appealing to minds. But even then, the liberals swap in propaganda and call it education. They are incorrigible and corrupt to the core.

But anyway, seeing as you have been triggered, explain to me why calling people ugly should not be made a criminal offence. Or perhaps you believe it should be an offence? Let's tick off the bullshit liberal checklist.

Are ugly people born that way? - Yes
Can ugly people help the way they appear? - No
Are ugly people discriminated against? - Oh yes, at the most fundamental level and in numerous ways. Wo gets the job? The bimbo or the hound? Who's the popular girl at school? Who hooks the best marriage? Who makes it onto the TV screen? And so on. But this is all normalised. Judging people by the appearance and responding favourably or unfavourably can be quite natural in the cases we all agree on. But totally unacceptable for the case we are triggered by, of course.

So if I want to call somebody an ugly bitch, by the same bullshit standard as the racism crusade, this should be illegal, right? Because, you know, the bitch's feelings might get hurt and that might lead to discrimination and if that can be a crime in a racial context then why not make it a crime in this context?

What about people with ginger hair? Tall people? Short people?

Of course when you examine the liberal racism hysteria in detail you discover people like Tony Blair and Bill Clinton. And so many others like them. Scumbags who are always at the forefront of condemning speech and yet perversely addicted to bombing the shit out of certain racial groups. The hypocrisy is staggering but generally ignored as it certainly doesn't assist with the PR campaigns. These bastards also had the influence to modify or eradicate the stranglehold the "civilised" west has over the "third world" people of colour in terms of economic slavery. So what did they support? Structural adjustment programs of course, and why not because who among the social justice warriors who leap up and down at mere words ever has time to pay attention to the horrendous realities of slavery in the "developing" nations? It's kind of nice to enjoy a privileged standard of living while perched on the back of a billion slaves, right? No need to upset that applecart.

Yes, unfortunately it is true, liberals are the worst example of racists we can find. They make the Klan look like social workers when you go beyond the words and examine the actions. But actions don't speak louder than words in our comfortable societies. It's ALL about the words and if you make a big enough fuss then the actions just disappear, never to be spoken of.

Give me an honest man any day of the week. I might not agree with his views but I'd rather know what they are so I can understand that person in the correct context. Give me some hysterical fuck who dances like a puppet based on what words are being mentioned at any given time but remains inanimate in the face of actual harm and I'll piss on him if I can be bothered.

[Letters]

I had a bus driver call the police on me last week
We had a bit of a dispute about whether I'd put my Oyster card on the reader (I had and thought it had beeped, apparently it hadn't).
He was being quite rude to me so in the end I got cross and said "Just drive the bus, that's your job!"
Bit rude of me but I didn't swear at him and I wasn't shouting, I was just a bit miffed by his attitude.
He ordered me off the bus! Fun that! I told him to stop being silly and others on the bus agreed. So he radioed through to get the police called
I did apologise to him as I had been a bit rude (he didn't apologise even though he had too) and he said "I don't accept your apology". Meh.
The next bus wasn't due for a while so I just stayed on the bus. Police bloke arrived and said "I've got better things to do than this". I said "I'm sure you have, I didn't call you!".
By this time the next bus was only a couple of minutes away so I got on that.

I fought the law and...well, I guess I lost
Bit surprised the police bloke sided with the driver, I guess that's their default stance to make life easy for themselves but unless someone is abusive or violent a bus driver surely can't just refuse to have someone on their bus because they're having a bad day. Meh.

[Power n Glory]

I had a bus driver call the police on me last week
We had a bit of a dispute about whether I'd put my Oyster card on the reader (I had and thought it had beeped, apparently it hadn't).
He was being quite rude to me so in the end I got cross and said "Just drive the bus, that's your job!"
Bit rude of me but I didn't swear at him and I wasn't shouting, I was just a bit miffed by his attitude.
He ordered me off the bus! Fun that! I told him to stop being silly and others on the bus agreed. So he radioed through to get the police called
I did apologise to him as I had been a bit rude (he didn't apologise even though he had too) and he said "I don't accept your apology". Meh.
The next bus wasn't due for a while so I just stayed on the bus. Police bloke arrived and said "I've got better things to do than this". I said "I'm sure you have, I didn't call you!".
By this time the next bus was only a couple of minutes away so I got on that.

I fought the law and...well, I guess I lost
Bit surprised the police bloke sided with the driver, I guess that's their default stance to make life easy for themselves but unless someone is abusive or violent a bus driver surely can't just refuse to have someone on their bus because they're having a bad day. Meh.

It works both ways. Some drivers can be complete dicks and have zero manners or don't know how to handle a situation without causing a bigger issue.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

NQ I can't help but feel your making a political issue out of something that isn't, am i broadly sympathetic with your point about free speech and what you call Liberal (i call regressive left, i consider myself liberal and i have very little in common with these people) trying to police language and ideas...yeah of course i hate people who try to shut down an argument that way....if you had a strong argument you wouldn't need to do it.

But first of all Racism is far more than just crass abusive language, if it wasn't we wouldn't have had genocides down the thousands of years of human civilisation

And whilst language in of itself can't hurt people, if you believe you can treat someone less respectfully as a result of their race and make that race the totality of who they are you are essentially dehumanising them. And whilst yes policing language I agree is counter productive, it's equally unnecessary to make such comments in the first place.

Secondly this issue is more about civility, it's about someone not getting their own way and resorting to abuse, whether that should be a crime or not is one thing whether we want to encourage people that that's an acceptable way of getting their grievances addressed is something else and that applies to anything personally stated to the individual.

"I'm sorry you are too late to check in"

"You are a stupid fat ugly whore who no man would ever touch, it makes me feel sick just to look at you"

What exactly are you hoping for?, I'm not sure the police should get involved but in the above example I have cited, the airline company would have every right to refuse to serve you and ban you from their airline in future for insulting one of their staff.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I had a bus driver call the police on me last week
We had a bit of a dispute about whether I'd put my Oyster card on the reader (I had and thought it had beeped, apparently it hadn't).
He was being quite rude to me so in the end I got cross and said "Just drive the bus, that's your job!"
Bit rude of me but I didn't swear at him and I wasn't shouting, I was just a bit miffed by his attitude.
He ordered me off the bus! Fun that! I told him to stop being silly and others on the bus agreed. So he radioed through to get the police called
I did apologise to him as I had been a bit rude (he didn't apologise even though he had too) and he said "I don't accept your apology". Meh.
The next bus wasn't due for a while so I just stayed on the bus. Police bloke arrived and said "I've got better things to do than this". I said "I'm sure you have, I didn't call you!".
By this time the next bus was only a couple of minutes away so I got on that.

I fought the law and...well, I guess I lost
Bit surprised the police bloke sided with the driver, I guess that's their default stance to make life easy for themselves but unless someone is abusive or violent a bus driver surely can't just refuse to have someone on their bus because they're having a bad day. Meh.

Whilst I agree with you that the driver was in the wrong, you are in a no win situation. The driver has the right to refuse passage to so-called awkward passengers and you have refused to leave the bus when he has asked you to. The police shouldn't have been called, all he needed to do was ask you politely to re-scan your Oyster and this guy sounds like a dick who was more interested in making himself seem big than doing his job.

Did you get a warning from the police?......was it in writing?

[Power n Glory]

NQ is a loony. He himself will be the first to point out that racism goes far beyond abusive words but then makes idiotic statements such as...

Want racism to go away? Then stop making such a big fucking deal about it.

Just stop already.

[Letters]

Did you get a warning from the police?......was it in writing?

No. I hadn't done anything wrong . I think the policeman know that but for the sake of getting on with his day and on to more important matters just asked me to get off the bus which, as he had some actual authority and not pretend authority like the bus driver or like I do, I did. The driver actually related events to him fairly accurately so it was clear I hadn't done anything worthy of action. At that point the policeman should, in my view, have told the driver to stop being so precious but I guess the easier path, as I'd got off the bus by then, was to leave it. All very silly.

It was in Edmonton, obviously...

[Niall_Quinn]

I can't help but feel your making a political issue out of something that isn't, am i broadly sympathetic with your issue about free speech and what you call Liberal (i call regressive left, i consider myself liberal and i have very little in common with these people) trying to police language and ideas...yeah of course i hate trying to shut down an argument that way....if you had a strong argument you wouldn't need to do it.

But first of all Racism is far more than just crass abusive language, if it wasn't we wouldn't have had genocides down the thousands of years of human civilisation

And whilst language in of itself can't hurt people, if you believe you can treat someone less respectfully as a result of their race and make that race the totality of who they are you are essentially dehumanising them. And whilst yes policing language I agree is counter productive, it's equally unnecessary to make such comments in the first place.

Secondly this issue is more about civility, it's about someone not getting their own way and resorting to abuse, whether that should be a crime or not is one thing whether we want to encourage people that that's an acceptable way of getting their grievances addressed is something else and that applies to anything personally stated to the individual.

"I'm sorry you are too late to check in"

"You are a stupid fat ugly whore who no man would ever touch, it makes me feel sick just to look at you"

What exactly are you hoping for?, I'm not sure the police should get involved but in the above example I have cited, the airline company would have every right to refuse to serve you and ban you from their airline in future for insulting one of their staff.

You are correct, but you are only reinforcing my point.

The situation at the airport is a private matter. Sounds like it had been resolved before some arsehole intervened. Nobody wants to be on the end of abuse and abuse is almost always counterproductive. This is all obvious stuff that every non-liberal can understand without straining the brain cells.

But check the arsehole who intervened and the subsequent newspaper coverage. RACIAL ISSUE! ALERT! What business of it is of theirs and why do they want to blow it up into something 50 times bigger than it was? This is the social conditioning and triggering I'm talking about. These are the people I want to kick in the teeth.

"I'm telling", is one one of the most childish responses imaginable for supposed adults. Deal with your own problems, stand on your own two feet. Stop looking for a nanny state that absolutely does not have your best interests at heart to bail you out of every life situation you find uncomfortable. It's for the person behind the desk to decide what happens. Me, I'd laugh it off, obviously, maybe wave a boarding pass around and then snatch it away. Others might want a colleague to come over and help, strength in numbers and all. Others might decide they want to take things further.

But how do you possibly explain the absolute cunt who poked their nose in and called the cops? There's no excuse for cunts like that. And that's what we have today, roving gangs of highly sensitive arseholes tuned into every human interaction to determine if there's an opportunity to tell nanny. Fucking little Nazi sympathisers who'd shop their own mother for a bit of mock credit, self satisfaction and social kudos in a sick society. THEY are offended on behalf of strangers FFS! The sheer arrogance of it. Who the fuck are they and from where do they draw their authority to intervene?

Now if Xhaka leaps over the counter and starts kicking seven shades out of his victim, or if he's right in his/ her/ its face screaming abuse and frightening the shit out of her and causing him/ her/ it tangible distress, sure thing, you intervene. But something muttered under the breath overheard by a busybody cunt who then leaps in to save the world? Fuck them. And fuck the media for making this the headline in a world where FIFA literally kills poor people so it can make more money.

Yes, racism certainly is more than language. That's my point. We go all hysterical at the language and ignore every other aspect. That's what I can't stand and that's why I have nothing but the deepest, bottomless contempt for the liberal cunts who think they have a fucking clue what's going on in this world, let alone be prepared to do something about it. Damn it, I loathe the cunts.

By liberal I mean the new version, the comfortable cunts who are oh so concerned about the world that they happily take advantage of and defend to the hilt should somebody point out the puss beneath the painted scab. we are witnessing this in all its glory in the States right now. Shoot the cop in the head because love trumps hate and all that shit.

What was I hoping for? I was hoping I was there so I could put my fist through the nose of that goodfornothing busybody cunt so it couldn't be stuck into places it didn't belong in the future.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

No. I hadn't done anything wrong . I think the policeman know that but for the sake of getting on with his day and on to more important matters just asked me to get off the bus which, as he had some actual authority and not pretend authority like the bus driver or like I do, I did. The driver actually related events to him fairly accurately so it was clear I hadn't done anything worthy of action. At that point the policeman should, in my view, have told the driver to stop being so precious but I guess the easier path, as I'd got off the bus by then, was to leave it. All very silly.

It was in Edmonton, obviously...

Well it could have technically been an arrest to prevent breach of the peace (would have been ridiculously over the top but Police get positive citations for write ups)

The problem is they can't say anything to him, because as i've stated he has the right to eject "awkward customers". And this is one of those instances where i am more sympathetic between what NQ calls the difference between the law and the spirit of the law.

My advice to you?.....i work for the police and i know that whilst the vast majority are decent, hard working individuals there is always some complete arse hole who could have made an example of you. Breach of the peace is something that will appear on a PNC record if you are ever applying for certain jobs, and as hard as it is to swallow the law is on Adolf Hitler the bus driver's side....so i wouldn't wait until the police arrive in the unlikely event that you find yourself in such a situation next time.

Also stay away from Canadian Public Transport if their employees are going to be like that.

[Niall_Quinn]

NQ is a loony. He himself will be the first to point out that racism goes far beyond abusive words but then makes idiotic statements such as...



Just stop already.

OMG. Ridiculing the mentally challenged! Somebody call the cops. A crime has been committed. Feelings have been hurt. Offence has occurred, call the army, call the queen. Get nanny.

Want to live in a world where I can get you arrested for what you just typed?