Match Reaction - Arsenal 1-2 Watford

[Marc Overmars]

I think the two issues are seperate as well. Wenger has no business blaming the fans for his (and the players) ineptitude.

But the home support has always been a bit ropey. I've been to games where we've scored a hatful and you could still here a pin drop for big chunks of it. And fans have always left early as well.

I went to the 6-0 against Ludogorets I can honestly say it's one of the worst crowds I've ever been a part of.

[Power n Glory]

Let's be honest, does anyone think it makes a difference whether fans stay or go to how the players perform?

[Marc Overmars]

Probably not, but the issue is how engaged are the fans in the first place if turning up late and leaving early is a regular thing. It all contributes to a soul sucking atmosphere.

[Niall_Quinn]

We're talking about fans now, rather than Wenger's extreme incompetence. Fans are at liberty to come and go as they please. Wenger is not at liberty to take their money and fail to deliver an acceptable level of performance. He's the one who needs to leave early and not come back.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The whole discussion is getting moribund

I think we are at a point with some people on here where they are so fixated on Wenger that they don't want to discuss anything else in football terms other than how shit he is, and see any other discussion as almost exonerating him.

Highbury got the reputation as the Library before anyone had even heard the name Arsene Wenger.

You can both recognise Wenger as a terrible manager and recognise there is a problem with some of our fans totally independent of that.

[Power n Glory]

Probably not, but the issue is how engaged are the fans in the first place if turning up late and leaving early is a regular thing. It all contributes to a soul sucking atmosphere.

It probably does contribute to the atmosphere but I wouldn't be so quick to question how committed or engaged they are. They paid their money and have gone to the game. It would be much easier to just stay home and watch on the TV. But since so many are leaving early and it's something you rarely see in theater, cinema, concerts...it has something to do with the culture and structure of the club. Doesn't it make more sense to start there?

Maybe it's the whole routine of it all. The same 75 minute sub off the bench, the momentum being taken out of the game in the dying minutes along with the predictability of the outcome, well in terms of us not winning the league but finishing in a CL spot. Maybe it's the way the players trudge on down the tunnel for the final whistle and the way the club just see us fans as customers. Overpriced tickets and food but pay no attention to the fans. Who knows. But the fact that it's so common with many, I think it's something the club have to fix.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-anger-9746051

John Cross in another quid pro agreement with Arsenal Football club to Harold McMillan us ungrateful prole scum in return for unlimited access for a soapy tit wank interview with AW at end of the season.

[Marc Overmars]

Arsenal fans have felt like this for the best part of a decade and the top dogs still don't know why there is such discontent. Sums it all up really.

[Xhaka Can’t]

If they are baffled, I'm sure it won't be too difficult to get someone to clear up the mystery.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Sherbert...do you still want us to throw FA cup games so we can Ante up for the league challenge/title?