Match Reaction Chelsea Away PL 2016-17 season

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

What he lacks is the ability to adapt what worked for him then into today's game.

Plus there is an age consideration with the exception of Ferguson, how many managers are winning the top prizes well into their sixties, as you get older especially you lose the ability to innovate and lose the spark to tear things up to begin again.

We compare Wenger to Ferguson and say it comes down to an appetite to win, but also Ferguson knew his limitations he was a great motivator but he also knew that coaching and training on a day to day basis should be left to younger men. Wenger simply cannot do that, even though it was Steve Bould in the dug out next to him was Neil Banfield who had Wenger talking in his ear every few minutes.

We know that there was a power vaccum in the club structure when David Dein left and who stepped into that vaccum none other than Wenger himself and no one tried to stop him, and this is what we are left with a man who has made himself Unsackable because no other manager would be prepared to do half of what he undertakes.

Ferguson sure as hell didn't have the same power and influence at United that Wenger has at Arsenal and you could argue even that has been detrimental to his management, because no more do you have anyone who can take Wenger aside and say "Arsene you're doing too much you need to let others take responsibility" it's abundantly clear Ivan Gazidis cannot do it because he's in the unique position of being hired by the man over whom he is meant to have ultimate responsibility over.

Football ultimately has changed, Kenny Dalglish won titles with liverpool and a title with Blackburn but we know he'd be incapable of putting together a winning team even with the kind of money he had at city or United, the same with Louis Van Gaal does it denigrate what they achieved in the past, no it just means that their time has passed.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...-a7566261.html

All is not well.

“I think we played some players in front of others and I think we should have played more as a team and there was space to do so. They hit us on the counter,” Koscielny said, according to The Mirror.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...ong-at-chelsea

I don’t think we played very well together in the same way, it was more one player after one player. I think we’d have had a lot of chances if we’d played quickly with our passing, on the flank we had to combine to have some opportunities. We did it in the first half. During a big game, if you don’t take your opportunities, it’s difficult to win the game. We need to be more efficient in both boxes.

All is not well at all.

[Marc Overmars]

He backed off Hazard like a little bitch.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...-a7566261.html

All is not well.



http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...ong-at-chelsea


All is not well at all.

Although i'm glad he used "We" as his own performance cannot be exempted, he is to all intents and purposes the Captain and i think he is right to speak out.

How Wenger will react to it, who knows.....more importantly who cares.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

He backed off Hazard like a little bitch.

He did, but i don't think he's exempting himself from criticism

[Power n Glory]

He backed off Hazard like a little bitch.

Had a chance to take out Hazard earlier up the pitch as well before backing off into the box. Poor game from Kos.

[Power n Glory]

He did, but i don't think he's exempting himself from criticism

Probably, but would rather he spoke up on the pitch instead of just during the post game conferences. Whenever we concede his head just drops and he walks off.

[AFC Leveller]

It sounds like hes talking about the shape or the way we set up when he says some players played infront of others (if you translate it to french, he is saying they were in the way of eachother).

[Niall_Quinn]

It sounds like hes talking about the shape or the way we set up when he says some players played infront of others (if you translate it to french, he is saying they were in the way of eachother).

Agreed. It sounds like a commentary on the usual reluctance to use width, pace and a coherent shape. I guess it's no big deal because this is obvious to everyone except Wenger. Wenger must have the ability to completely block out this kind of stuff so I doubt he'll be able to hear what Kos said.

[Letters]

His greatest success came when he had strong players full stop. Mentally and physically. The last 13 years at Arsenal makes it inevitable there will be questions about just who was behind Arsenal's success. Wenger? Or did the likes of the legendary back five and true leaders like Vieira and Bergkamp do what the current bunch can't and drag Wenger's dead weight to the top of the mountain?

Well, obviously that's bullshit. The Invincibles were entirely Wenger's team, none of the legendary back five played in that team, I don't think there was a single pre-Wenger player who was a significant part of that team.
Many players from that early era have credited Wenger with extending their careers. His fitness methods were revolutionary - remember he came in at a time when there were still 'drinking schools' at clubs.
His knowledge of the worldwide game was revolutionary at the time too, remember how we used to get panned for having so many foreign players. Not any more, every club does it.

You'd have to go out of your way to deny him credit for all of that.
The problem is simply that other teams caught up and overtook him. And the billionaires weighing in just at the time when the stadium caused us the most financial pressure didn't help.

The last few years the finances have been there to properly compete. The FA Cups were a good start and gave us all hope that we could push on and compete for the biggest prizes again, the last couple of years have shown that Wenger isn't able to do that now. Shame. Wenger has never achieved success entirely on his own - no-one does. People like Dein off the pitch and Adams/Vieira on it clearly helped. But let's not rewrite history or over-state how terrible he is.