Bayern 5-1 Arsenal (plus all other games for the rest of the season) Match Reaction

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.t...nightmare/amp/

Unsurprising.

ONE slight twist to this and we're talking. If people could somehow get organised and boycott ONE match, just the one. The empty stadium protest. Just Ty and Chris Wenger sitting there. Pick a meaningless game, and they are all meaningless now bar Sutton. Instead of spending the money on the match, set up a charity donation, maybe ex-players who knew how to play, gave their all for the club and earned fuck all in return. Or one of the Arsenal nominated charities. People will say it can't be done, but proper organisation by a group like Arsenal Fan TV could do it. You might not get a completely empty stadium but it would be empty enough to send the required message. And that message would be sent to every club out there that treats their fans like shit.

A big dip in their charts - that's the only thing they'll be bothered by and might do something to correct.

[Niall_Quinn]

We're really not a very good side, we've hardly played well in any games this season, I actually think we're very overrated, we lose all the big games and even in the smaller games although we do get results it's with poor performances, I think a squad overhaul is required personally once the manager moves on.

We've forgotten how to pass the ball. An Arsenal team that can't pass, it's astonishing. We can't cross a ball either. We can't beat opponents down the flank. We can't defend as a unit. When you can't do those things it's fair to say you can't play the game.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38991573

Playing for time?

How noble of them. Wenger has already said he'll decide at the end of the season so the board is simply saying, "yes boss, whatever you say."

"Mutual" means Wenger will decide.

[Niall_Quinn]

It’s a massive job but I can’t say for sure who’s stopping us from upgrading our structure. Who made the decision to block Thierry Henry and has hardly offered jobs to former players? The staff Wenger has around him has been the same for years and he seems reluctant to upgrade.

He’s spoken out against having a Director of Football in the past. Not sure what his stance is now. We’ve slowly seen a change to our Academy and medical staff but the first team has remained the same for donkeys.

Considering the club were open to listening to Wenger’s ideas on how a club should be run, it would be stupid for them not to be open to listening to the ideas of a new manager. The way to pitch this club to a new manager is that this is a chance to build a legacy.

Now that Wenger’s approval ratings have hit an all time low with the fans, the Board must sense that this is the time to let him go.

If after a decade of this abject shite Wenger still hasn't walked then it indicates the owners don't give a shit about the football side of the club. They care about one thing, the cash. The easy solution here is to create a new role for Wenger where he effectively remains in charge and then bring some yes man in to manage the team in a much reduced role and take all the heat off Wenger. This is what I think will happen.

Whatever happens, I'm positive it will be done with the same utter contempt for the fans.

[Munchies]

DT

Hero we don't deserve

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That's my biggest concern, that no succession plan has been made. Simply because for the board who have no say on football matters, keeping Wenger makes their lives a hell of a lot easier. They've sat on their arses for 10 years since Dein left and Wenger took on more responsibility, now they might actually have to do something.

Wenger for his faults (and they are numerous) have been a useful punching bag for the board, if they cared about the footballing side. They would have long ago leant on him to tell him to change his coaching staff and defer some of his responsibilities, and they would have long ago leant on him to decide on his future so they had a succession plan in place.

Kroenke is probably one of the most hated men in American Sports, and David Dein really has to take responsibility for bringing him and Usmanov anywhere near our club

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

How noble of them. Wenger has already said he'll decide at the end of the season so the board is simply saying, "yes boss, whatever you say."

"Mutual" means Wenger will decide.

It's also saying to the fans that if Wenger signs on again it will be because he wants to and we take no responsibility for it, when in fact we are doing everything in our power to get him to stay because we don't want to run a football club ourselves, it's not our cup of tea.

[Niall_Quinn]

Poor Alex Iwobi is getting slaughtered. So unfair. Another young Wenger victim in the long line of players Wenger has destroyed. Certainly he had a poor game - in a crucial CL crunch match in Germany against Germany's best team and one of the best teams in the world. Yes he was poor playing in a disorganised jumble of a system where everyone else was equally perplexed. We had an experienced player in Welbeck, sat on the bench, unused. Instead we put out a kid and ask him to do the job of a seasoned pro. Ridiculous. The best possible way to destroy the lad's confidence. Just chuck him in at the deep end, give him fuck all support and let him sink or swim. Against Bayern Munich. Only a terrible, terrible manager would do this.

[Özim]

Whilst we're at it, Koscielny getting injured, good defender but very prone to making some big mistakes, Wenger pointed at losing him as the turning point, but the guy is just as bad as everyone else, he lets you down when you need him.

Big overhaul needed I think we need to stop overhyping these players and start looking at the reality. Gibbs is another, what is this guy still doing at this club, one of the worst defenders we've ever had, can't defend for toffee (he's a winger at the end of the day).

Mustafi...what is this guy about 30 odd million, is this really the best we can find? Don't get me started on the midfield. As for up front, we'll we known for years we've needed a top striker, still none in sight.

So much wrong with this club, people need to stop believing the hype, there's nothing great about this club anymore, we do things the right way apparently, if this is the right way I'd rather we did them the wrong way to be honest.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Poor Alex Iwobi is getting slaughtered. So unfair. Another young Wenger victim in the long line of players Wenger has destroyed. Certainly he had a poor game - in a crucial CL crunch match in Germany against Germany's best team and one of the best teams in the world. Yes he was poor playing in a disorganised jumble of a system where everyone else was equally perplexed. We had an experienced player in Welbeck, sat on the bench, unused. Instead we put out a kid and ask him to do the job of a seasoned pro. Ridiculous. The best possible way to destroy the lad's confidence. Just chuck him in at the deep end, give him fuck all support and let him sink or swim. Against Bayern Munich. Only a terrible, terrible manager would do this.

He should have been sent out on loan and Joel Campbell retained.

Last night he was abysmal though, as much as Wenger is responsible for the turd fest on the whole...i'm still a believer that players are responsible for their individual performances.
For me his performance was summed up was when Thiago was dispossesed and the ball broke loose but he's looking somewhere else and Vidal beats him to the ball

What irritates me last night is this throwaway remark that Bayern are a top side?

They really aren't......we saw that when we had the balls to actually play our way into the game, for any other team they would have been there for the taking.....ageing team.....that central defence was put only under a little pressure by Arsenal in the first half and it looked like it would crumble, Alaba gets caught too high up too often....if we had anything going on, on the left we would have rinsed Lahm.

Neur was terrible

Vidal, Robben, Thiago and Lewandowski are all good players but they are only as good as we made them look