I'll just leave this here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39001868
I'll just leave this here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39001868
Who are 'we'?Originally Posted by Özim
The board? I agree.
Wenger? Definitely not.
I think a lot of people will be happy he's gone, but that doesn't mean people won't appreciate what he did. It's funny how you say it's hard to remember the great times when you seem to be pretty clearly remembering the "wonderful" 92/93 season which was long before Wenger's best time with us (and was mostly awful if you had to sit through the games week in, week out).
I'd agree with that much - that's what separates Wenger from people like Ferguson who managed to adapt to the way football changed and compete and succeed over a long period of time. But there are very few managers at that level around, and it has to be remembered that for about 7 years Wenger stood toe to toe with him and got the better of him on quite a few occasions.the fact he's been unable to reproduce any kind of success (unlike the best managers out there), is a massive stain on his CV because logically if you're a top manager you should be able to deliver success time and time again, not just in one spell.
If Wenger and Kroenke stay it will be difficult to attract new players of the required calibre and even more so to keep existing players . Like it or not Arsenal do not pay wages at same level as Man U and players now realise that they are unlikely to win anything under the present regime.
Good grief.Chileans will protest on 1st March in a bid to get Sanchez out of Arsenal.
Wenger needs to get the hell out now before he does any more damage. Every day he stays he's making it harder for the new guy that will have to deal with the mess. Certainly the finances are in order, but on the football side we are sinking into some pretty deep shit.
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The board we agree on, but Wenger, really?? Year after year he does uses the same tired, failed methods, makes the same mistakes and the list goes on, I know you say he's not satisfied, but then why doesn't he try to do something different, why doesn't he sign different players, use different tactics try a different brand of football. He either is happy with what he's achieved or he's thick, I don't think it's the latter so that leaves him being happy with CL qualification, and yes I know he stamps his little feet on the touchline from time to time but that just proves frustration in one match it doesn't prove he's not happy with the outcome.
Time will tell but it's we've seen so much of the Wenger that has failed it's become hard to remember the rest. No all I said was I enjoyed the football and matches back then, I can't remember clearly what is was like, I can just remember enjoying football and being excited to watch Arsenal, but that was probably due to the fact we could upset the odds so football was unpredictable, unlike these days when we already know the outcome before the season has started.
It will be Wenger for 2 years.
Says the man who waxes lyrical about a season which was, a few good cup games aside, completely horrible both in terms of results and the way we played.
It's funny how you're managing to remember the few highlights from a terrible season 25 years ago but struggling to remember 7 seasons of brilliant football and sacks of trophies which ended less than 15 years ago.
I had a season ticket in 92/93 but mercifully it was my first year at Uni so I didn't have to sit through that much but I remember the bits I did see. Man it was awful.
We only won 15 out of 42 league games and finished the season in 10th place, 7 points off the relegation zone.
We only scored 40 league goals in those 42 league games.
From mid-November till the end of the season we P27 W6 D9 L12 in the league, scoring 18 goals.
And this was a season you "thoroughly enjoyed" because of a few admittedly good cup triumphs (which were also awful games of football by the way but I guess when you've pub-teamed a 1-0 in the FA Cup Semi-Final vs Spurs you don't care too much about the quality).
As I said, I don't think Wenger has the ability to do better but I do believe he wants to deeply. Unlike the board who are quite happy to sit back and count the money.
I'm sure he wants to do better, every uncompetitive manager would, but that doesn't mean he's not satisfied with the job he's doing. This 'never had it so good' attitude towards the fans suggests he's actually quite comfortable meeting the bare minimum objectives that have been set.
His years of being a ferocious competitor have long gone, that probably went when Dein left and he had to take on the entire weight of the club.
He seems pretty unrepentant, oblivious to the idea it might be himself at fault. It sounds like he's feeling under-appreciated for the consistent lack of success he's brought over the last decade. Of course he'll view all the big numbers on the balance sheet as the ultimate success. He's not in the same place as the fans on any level. So it wouldn't surprise me if he stayed and thought he was doing us a huge favour, despite our ingratitude.
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Well that burns away all my optimism that he will be gone at the end of the season
We apparently have to tolerate mediocrity because he can't bear to tear himself away from football
So essentially we have it confirmed, our manager is putting his own interests before that of the club
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