Wenger Referendum IV

[Niall_Quinn]

Well I agree with that but it's just not true to say he's under no pressure.
If we'd slipped in to mid table (as many on here predicted we would) then I think he'd have been long gone.
He's meeting his bosses expectations, just not the fans expectations but while we keep qualifying for the CL and the fans keep buying the tickets and the shirts there's no reason the board would want to change anything.

Apart from the primary reason we are all here in the first place. Competitive sport. And if that's not their primary reason then they should all fuck off and go into hedge fund management. The fans' expectations are aligned with the purpose of the sport, the board's and the manager's aren't. If the promise had been austerity in return for a big new stadium and eternal 4th place so Stan could mortgage himself to the hilt and Wenger could have a job for life then only Ty and Chris Wenger and the Mysterious Four would have been up for that. Everyone else would have said fuck off.

Wenger is certainly fulfilling the ambitions of the board, no doubt about that. But what's that got to do with Arsenal Football Club? Nothing.

The question is, what do this lot achieve in terms of the intended purpose of this club? Answer is, nothing of relevance. It's a basic requirement to make sure the place doesn't go bankrupt. You don't get prizes and plaudits for not bankrupting the place, or at least you shouldn't. This lot have turned the bare minimum into the height of achievement and they are so delusional they boast about it.

Well, in terms of why we are all supposed to be here, they are the biggest losers in the game. The fact they can't see it doesn't change the reality.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Arsene quickly out to remind us he prefers Arsenal to a job where he'd have to win something. Stan out to remind us he'll pay whatever it takes to keep that Wenger bloke in charge at that soccer fund over there in Great England.

Can you have too much stability? If Kroenke had owned White Star and Wenger was the captain of the Titanic it never would have sank. Everybody would still be alive today. The ship would be pristine because it would never have left port - ever. Way too risky taking something like that out onto the ocean. Cheaper on fuel too.

Wenger: We sailed a little bit with the handbrake on, but i did see zee Iceberg

Interviewer: Arsene there was little to no mist and the sea was calm that night

Wenger: You are being disrespectful, everyone thinks they are an expert

[fakeyank]

What is the likelihood he will be offered a new contract if we finish 4th, versus the likelihood if we finish 7th or 8th? I think the probability greatly decreases of him getting a new contract if we finish outside the top 4. So it wouldnt be so bad if we lost all our remaining PL games.. add in a good thumping from Bayern at home as well. That'll go down real well.

[selassie]

Well I agree with that but it's just not true to say he's under no pressure.
If we'd slipped in to mid table (as many on here predicted we would) then I think he'd have been long gone.
He's meeting his bosses expectations, just not the fans expectations but while we keep qualifying for the CL and the fans keep buying the tickets and the shirts there's no reason the board would want to change anything.

Slipping to mid table? I can't remember ever seeing that being predicted on here regularly, what an earth are you talking about?

Is he really under pressure? I mean true pressure...like actually being accountable for team performance and tangible improvements on team performances year on year? I'm not for one minute suggesting he's the worst manager in the world and I'm not suggesting that he could literally relegate us season after season and stay in the job but he's not really under any kind of pressure.

Meeting his bosses expectations given the resources he has it his disposal isn't difficult, he's not in a pressured environment if he is not performing to the best of his abilities. Managers at other top clubs are judged on performing to the best of their abilities, you think Wenger would get away with this anywhere else? He keeps reminding us that he wouldn't swap Arsenal for anywhere else...of course he wouldn't! He would be toast at any other top club!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

What is the likelihood he will be offered a new contract if we finish 4th, versus the likelihood if we finish 7th or 8th? I think the probability greatly decreases of him getting a new contract if we finish outside the top 4. So it wouldnt be so bad if we lost all our remaining PL games.. add in a good thumping from Bayern at home as well. That'll go down real well.

the new contract has already been offered, no matter where he finishes they aren't going to retract it. It's up to Wenger whether he signs it or not

[Globalgunner]

Slipping to mid table? I can't remember ever seeing that being predicted on here regularly, what an earth are you talking about?

Is he really under pressure? I mean true pressure...like actually being accountable for team performance and tangible improvements on team performances year on year? I'm not for one minute suggesting he's the worst manager in the world and I'm not suggesting that he could literally relegate us season after season and stay in the job but he's not really under any kind of pressure.

Meeting his bosses expectations given the resources he has it his disposal isn't difficult, he's not in a pressured environment if he is not performing to the best of his abilities. Managers at other top clubs are judged on performing to the best of their abilities, you think Wenger would get away with this anywhere else? He keeps reminding us that he wouldn't swap Arsenal for anywhere else...of course he wouldn't! He would be toast at any other top club!

You'll have to excuse Letters. His is a case of the Sixth Sense. He sees imaginary posters.

[fakeyank]

the new contract has already been offered, no matter where he finishes they aren't going to retract it. It's up to Wenger whether he signs it or not

I think things can dramatically change if we lose half our games between now and the end of the season. I can see fan pressure changing the owners mind. Again, the higher probability is that the offer will still be good come May, but if that probability reduces by even 1% with us finishing outside the top 4 and absolutely pissing off the last few PL games, I am all for it. At the end of the day, it doesnt make an iota of difference if we finish 4th or 8th or 17th. If you aint first, you are last!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think things can dramatically change if we lose half our games between now and the end of the season. I can see fan pressure changing the owners mind. Again, the higher probability is that the offer will still be good come May, but if that probability reduces by even 1% with us finishing outside the top 4 and absolutely pissing off the last few PL games, I am all for it. At the end of the day, it doesnt make an iota of difference if we finish 4th or 8th or 17th. If you aint first, you are last!

I think if he finishes outside the top four, or fails to win a trophy than i think he will decide to go, but the board have made it clear it's his decision.

[selassie]

Wenger: We sailed a little bit with the handbrake on, but i did see zee Iceberg

Interviewer: Arsene there was little to no mist and the sea was calm that night

Wenger: You are being disrespectful, everyone thinks they are an expert

[fakeyank]

I think if he finishes outside the top four, or fails to win a trophy than i think he will decide to go, but the board have made it clear it's his decision.

I beg to differ on that. I do not think Wenger will walk out himself. I used to believe that he was a 'good man' who wasnt in it for the money up until a few years back. Now I do not believe in that anymore. I think he is in it for the money, and if offered a new contract, he will sign it.