Match Reaction vs Bayern Munich (home)

[Letters]

No I'm just smart enough to realise I'm not going to be proved wrong

I've proved you wrong in this thread
I posted the video showing Wenger's very muted reactions to the goals. Yes, he reacted as would pretty much anyone but your hatred (and that really isn't too strong a word) of him robs you of any objectivity and you will never EVER change your opinion even when it's shown up to be nonsense.
There is plenty to criticise him about, you don't need to make up stuff.

You've also said in this thread he hasn't been doing a good job for over 10 years. So you'd have sacked him in what, 2006 or 2005? A year or two after The Invincibles? Really? Behave.

Let's stop all the revisionism. IMO you can split Wenger's time with us into 3 periods.

When he came he was remarkable, he revolutionised the club - arguably English football as a whole, other clubs soon followed suit with a flood of foreign players and managers and diet and fitness regimes. He took us to dizzy heights that no-one at Arsenal could have expected. Yes, yes, we won stuff before he came along but it was often awful football in my early memory of the club and, historically, success at Arsenal was pretty sporadic - read Fever Pitch.

Then the billionaires stuck their nose in just as we were doing the stadium move which restricted our finances. Was Wenger too frugal and cautious during that time? I think that is arguably true but, overall, I think he did pretty well to keep us relatively competitive.

Now he has the money to compete and he's even signed a few players who should enable us to but it's increasingly clear he's no longer able to deliver the biggest prizes. So he must go.

But don't proclaim yourself right as if you knew 10 years ago that he wasn't up to it and stop making up stupid reasons to have a go at him, there's plenty of real material to go on.

I don't like what we as a club have become either by the way - a big business - but IMO that is partly a reflection of our owners and partly a reflection of how football has gone in general. It's sad and I'm increasingly reluctant to engage with it but you can't blame Wenger for that one - that's the fault of people like Sky and UEFA who have made it all about saturation in the media and ever spiralling money.

[Maestro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KbgA3u-7RI

[mastermind84]

On a positive...Ox may have found his role in the squad. Central midfield looks to be his natural position. Really put in a performance.

https://twitter.com/EmanDaGoonn/stat...06190757044225

i didnt see the match, but judging by yesterday's reaction and the SoTon FA cup match, he has found his home. He looks excellent in a 3 man midfield, and I read Xhaka and Ramsey looked good too.

Dont worry tho, Wenger will put Ox out wide againa dn go back to a 2 with Coquelin.

[mastermind84]

All credit to Bayern, Football comes first, they pride themselves on winning and will not settle for second best.

Regarding some of our fans that are beholden to Wenger....I know it's ridiculous...but ultimately this is what happens when standards are allowed drop so far that taking part is now seen as some sort of success.

We have a Manager who not that long ago said that "Winning isn't everything".

We have an Owner who straight up said that "he doesn't care for trophies and the primary reason for him buying Arsenal wasn't for winning".

That's the reality of the situation...they don't care, they don't care one bit.

I think a lot of fans think Arsenal are a smaller club than it actually is, the board plays off that.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Shop window performances I reckon.

Mark Ogden of ESPN (I have no idea who he is or if he is in any way reliable*) says he wants to leave.

A typical "Sources say" story though.

And now others papers are getting involved by saying Ozil wants out as well. Again.

*Ah it's the former Telegraph and Independent guy who used to/still covers United

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think a lot of fans think Arsenal are a smaller club than it actually is, the board plays off that.

In terms of spending power, i think people believe the club is much bigger than it is. Bayern, Barcelona, Real, Man City, Man United, PSG and Chelsea can easily outspend us and maintain a far higher wage bill.

[Özim]

In terms of spending power, i think people believe the club is much bigger than it is. Bayern, Barcelona, Real, Man City, Man United, PSG and Chelsea can easily outspend us and maintain a far higher wage bill.

Think Bayerns team cost less than ours though and yet they are so much better, it's not all about money, it's also about spending wisely.

[Niall_Quinn]

In terms of spending power, i think people believe the club is much bigger than it is. Bayern, Barcelona, Real, Man City, Man United, PSG and Chelsea can easily outspend us and maintain a far higher wage bill.

Arsenal is the biggest club in the world in terms of what it charges it's fans. They managed to get that bit working I see. If we still can't compete with the top clubs after restructuring the club so radically and being one of the biggest beneficiaries of the insane increase in TV revenues then people out to be getting sacked, don't you think?

[Marc Overmars]

Mark Ogden of ESPN (I have no idea who he is or if he is in any way reliable*) says he wants to leave.

A typical "Sources say" story though.

And now others papers are getting involved by saying Ozil wants out as well. Again.

*Ah it's the former Telegraph and Independent guy who used to/still covers United

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...-in-the-summer

His progression with us has been non-existent, 6 years on he's not much better than the day we signed him. I fear he has the potential to explode at another club though, with a manager who has confidence in him and most importantly a specific role for him in the team. I could see Klopp getting him under his wing, he's the kind of hard working player that would buy into his philosophy.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...-in-the-summer

His progression with us has been non-existent, 6 years on he's not much better than the day we signed him. I fear he has the potential to explode at another club though, with a manager who has confidence in him and most importantly a specific role for him in the team. I could see Klopp getting him under his wing, he's the kind of hard working player that would buy into his philosophy.

If Wenger gets a new deal and we don't a appoint a new manager, he'd be wise to move on. You only have to look as far as Walcott and Ramsey to see what happens when developed by Wenger in this era. Giving players the freedom to work to their strengths and not develop crucial skills required for a position hasn't worked. Stripping back Theo's game so he's only focused on off ball runs and striking is not the way to develop a modern day winger. He should have been learning how to defend and how to beat his man under Wenger. Ramsey should have learned about positional discipline and not been given a license to go goal hunting. But also, these players have to get to a point where they question their development. They're not kids and can easily see the areas they need to work on.

Ox has raw talent. I had no idea he was capable of being a central midfielder until recently. Has a good range of passes on him and with his dribbling ability, he's able to evade teams that press. It makes even less sense why Wenger had him out on the wing against Liverpool. But if Ox stays, I'm sure he won't learn how to correct his mistakes under Wenger.