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[Power n Glory]

City and Chelsea aren't my responsibility

And yes in the very unlikely event Usmanov did become owner i don't think i could support the club as long as that was the case, other people can do what they like....Emirates airlines is run by the Dubai government and it is a repressive and dictatorial government and i'd rather not have it's patronage.

But for me there has to be a line drawn somewhere about how much scum you are prepared to overlook, and Usmanov using his ill gotten gains to finance our team would be the line for me.

But you still watch Arsenal knowing Usmanov is a shareholder. You still watch us knowing our Emirates ties. You're not responsible for Arsenal, City or Chelsea, but you contribute by spectator of football. You've already shown you're willing to overlook the fuckery in football simply by being spectator, so nobody really has a leg to stand on. From the corruption with Fifa, UEFA.....it's a long list. Not really for the whole moral high horse thing especially. Just sounds like points being used to beat down other posters and prop yourself up.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

But you still watch Arsenal knowing Usmanov is a shareholder. You still watch us knowing our Emirates ties. You're not responsible for Arsenal, City or Chelsea, but you contribute by spectator of football. You've already shown you're willing to overlook the fuckery in football simply by being spectator, so nobody really has a leg to stand on. From the corruption with Fifa, UEFA.....it's a long list. Not really for the whole moral high horse thing especially. Just sounds like points being used to beat down other posters and prop yourself up.

He's a shareholder yes, but whilst Kroenke is there he pretty much has no decision making role at the club.

I'm so glad you can tell me what i think, no for as long as i've heard the name Usmanov It's been a continual link with crime, corruption and being an apparatchik for Vladimir Putin. If you find links between Fifa and UEFA and murder and torture in Uzbekistan than fine i take your point, my point is there's a line for me personally.

People can want Usmanov as owner if they want, me putting across my view that he is in fact worse than Kroenke is not beating them down. I am not treating them as ignorant, i can't assume i know any more about this man than anyone else but they are happy to make that compromise.

For me it's a compromise too far....and it's a long standing view (one that i held since Dein sold his shares to red and white holdings).

[Power n Glory]

He's a shareholder yes, but whilst Kroenke is there he pretty much has no decision making role at the club.

I'm so glad you can tell me what i think, no for as long as i've heard the name Usmanov It's been a continual link with crime, corruption and being an apparatchik for Vladimir Putin. If you find links between Fifa and UEFA and murder and torture in Uzbekistan than fine i take your point, my point is there's a line for me personally.

People can want Usmanov as owner if they want, me putting across my view that he is in fact worse than Kroenke is not beating them down. I am not treating them as ignorant, i can't assume i know any more about this man than anyone else but they are happy to make that compromise.

For me it's a compromise too far....and it's a long standing view (one that i held since Dein sold his shares to red and white holdings).

I'm not telling you what to think, just letting you know how it comes across and I think it's hypocritical. Fact is we all contribute to this as spectators. We love the sport but it comes with some serious baggage that we all often ignore. Wasn't there a report about over hundreds or thousands dying in order to build the Qatar stadiums on time for the 2022 World Cup? Weren't the people of Brazil robbed of public funds just to host the World Cup? But will anyone boycott watching the World Cup? I'm sure FIFA and UEFA have more dodgy dealings than reported. Filth all around in football. If you're drawing a line, great, but it's nothing to really get on your high horse about.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm not telling you what to think, just letting you know how it comes across and I think it's hypocritical. Fact is we all contribute to this as spectators. We love the sport but it comes with some serious baggage that we all often ignore. Wasn't there a report about over hundreds or thousands dying in order to build the Qatar stadiums on time for the 2022 World Cup? Weren't the people of Brazil robbed of public funds just to host the World Cup? But will anyone boycott watching the World Cup? I'm sure FIFA and UEFA have more dodgy dealings than reported. Filth all around in football. If you're drawing a line, great, but it's nothing to really get on your high horse about.

Again i've also been clear that Russia and Qatar should both be stripped of the world cup hosting rights


Unless i actively stop paying a licence fee it doesn't matter whether i watch those tournaments or not.

What i'm saying is that there is a line in having an owner like Usmanov and whataboutery won't change that for me, the club will have neither my patronage or support if that man becomes owner.....but as i've said the matter is incredibly academic anyway because he won't.

[Globalgunner]

If Usmanov is the worst person youve ever heard of. You need to broaden your worldview.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

If Usmanov is the worst person youve ever heard of. You need to broaden your worldview.

Again not saying he is, but i wouldn't want the people even worse than him involved with Arsenal either

It's a bit like saying who can i trust to babysit my kids more, Ian Watkins or Sidney Cooke....well Sidney will be ok he can't run as fast as he used to

[Niall_Quinn]

Again i've also been clear that Russia and Qatar should both be stripped of the world cup hosting rights


Unless i actively stop paying a licence fee it doesn't matter whether i watch those tournaments or not.

What i'm saying is that there is a line in having an owner like Usmanov and whataboutery won't change that for me, the club will have neither my patronage or support if that man becomes owner.....but as i've said the matter is incredibly academic anyway because he won't.

Usmanov already is an owner.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Usmanov already is an owner.

By that logic you could suggest some of the fan groups that still own a nominal amount of shares are owners

Kroenke is the majority shareholder and the de facto owner.

[Niall_Quinn]

By that logic you could suggest some of the fan groups that still own a nominal amount of shares are owners

Kroenke is the majority shareholder and the de facto owner.

Well by that fact, I do suggest all of the fan groups that still own a nominal amount of shares are owners. They are. Not owners with influence, but owners nonetheless. So make no mistake, Arsenal is already a possession of Usmanov. It is Usmanov's club you are associated with, as well as Kroenke's and the rest of them who can afford that juicy and ever rising share price. You already keep bad company just by associating yourself with the club. We all do.

But what are we going to do? It's not just football, it's everything. And, contrary to your belief that all people are bad, it is a few bad apples that have soured a species. The few who own everything including all the rest of us. I saw it expressed well the other day by a clumsy DARPA scientist who was naive enough to say too much. This is an economic species, not a social one.

[Globalgunner]

But you still watch Arsenal knowing Usmanov is a shareholder. You still watch us knowing our Emirates ties. You're not responsible for Arsenal, City or Chelsea, but you contribute by spectator of football. You've already shown you're willing to overlook the fuckery in football simply by being spectator, so nobody really has a leg to stand on. From the corruption with Fifa, UEFA.....it's a long list. Not really for the whole moral high horse thing especially. Just sounds like points being used to beat down other posters and prop yourself up.

This from a poster who chastises other for mounting Wenger out campaigns and believes that not saying anything will somehow get him out. Oh the irony.

Even looking at Kroenke, he is no paragon of decency. Brazenly moves his teams from city to city looking for the best deal despite long standing ties to their present location. Is married into the Walmart empire who are the epitome of exploitation both at home and in the countries where his suppliers use children to make their cheap goods. On top of it all he surreptitiously pays himself 3m each year for murky "consultancy fees".

Kroenke is the owner from hell, the owner that cares no more for this club than a farmer for his chickens. Their worth is purely in how may eggs they lay each day.