Arsenal Fan TV Reaction

[Niall_Quinn]

*coughs politely*

Outside of this fine place of course.

Although...

I wonder if there was no GW would I have ditched football entirely now? Is it this place that is responsible for sustaining my habit.

[Ernesto]

As it stands we won't be getting CL football next season and we are not progressing as a Football team we are regressing.

Wenger has been given more than enough leeway, he has been given countless seasons to get it right including last season where all our traditional rivals were in freefall, he still couldn't get it right.

He has been given money, fitness coaches, assistant managers, new players, anything that could possibly change has changed and we are still seeing the same results season upon season.

We need CHANGE and we need it now, we know what we are getting with Wenger and it certainly isn't improvement.

We all know why the standards are slipping, it's because of this rotten regime where nobody at the football club is accountable for team performance or improvement. Standards and targets just get shifted based upon where we are at the given time and it's just simply ludicrous.

I didn't mention Wenger. I'm just aghast at the laissez-faire attitude of some of our fans

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Laissez faire?

What fucking choice do we have in all of it.

4th place is regarded by most clubs as a springboard to something else, our club treats it like its the ultimate goal

And so what if we finished outside of Europe? If Wenger stays the chance is we won't qualify again for a while anyway. We can't do anything about this, we have a manager who does not give a shit about anything but his own prestige and we are meant to care?.

[Ernesto]

Laissez faire?

What fucking choice do we have in all of it.

4th place is regarded by most clubs as a springboard to something else, our club treats it like its the ultimate goal

And so what if we finished outside of Europe? If Wenger stays the chance is we won't qualify again for a while anyway. We can't do anything about this, we have a manager who does not give a shit about anything but his own prestige and we are meant to care?.

We have a choice. Support the team. Support them if they're losing.

Or don't support them. Pretend we're not bothered. Claim that the club is killing us.

That's our choice.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We have a choice. Support the team. Support them if they're losing.

Or don't support them. Pretend we're not bothered. Claim that the club is killing us.

That's our choice.

Give over fella, you think the teams performances are to do with the lack of support from the fans?

[Ernesto]

Give over fella, you think the teams performances are to do with the lack of support from the fans?

So booing your own players helps? That's the flip side of the coin, isn't it? Booing Walcott as he trudges off the pitch at the Hawthorns is going to galvanise him into playing better in the next match?

Let's face it, that doesn't help, either. That's counter productive and just adds weight to the mockery that our fanbase is fast becoming...which, ironically, leads me full circle back onto Arsenal Fan TV.

[Niall_Quinn]

So booing your own players helps? That's the flip side of the coin, isn't it? Booing Walcott as he trudges off the pitch at the Hawthorns is going to galvanise him into playing better in the next match?

Let's face it, that doesn't help, either. That's counter productive and just adds weight to the mockery that our fanbase is fast becoming...which, ironically, leads me full circle back onto Arsenal Fan TV.

This isn't a one season blip. Everything has limits and we're way beyond the limits of reasonable patience waiting for the club, the team, the manager, the players to perform. Do you not suspect that if the fans just sit there and cheer this lot they'll react by taking the piss? Don't you think that finally, this lot need a huge kick up the arse, particularly as the manager seems incapable of delivering it? Walcott, he's the most senior player at the club now. What has he achieved in his time here? Not even one full season of consistency, if we are to be honest. Boo him, don't boo him, I doubt you'll get anything out of him. It's too comfortable for everyone on big rewards at this club, way too comfortable. Nobody is under any serious pressure to perform and so they don't. The fans are the only group left who can demand some accountability and raise the pressure. But we have that other group of fans, in lockstep with a media in turn tucked into Wenger's pocket - the fans who tut and wag fingers when the slightest criticism is raised. Fine, but please try to recall that this is a competitive sports club. The aim is to win, it is not to build bean bag chill zones and safe spaces.

[selassie]

Laissez faire?

What fucking choice do we have in all of it.

4th place is regarded by most clubs as a springboard to something else, our club treats it like its the ultimate goal

And so what if we finished outside of Europe? If Wenger stays the chance is we won't qualify again for a while anyway. We can't do anything about this, we have a manager who does not give a shit about anything but his own prestige and we are meant to care?.

This!

[Ernesto]

This isn't a one season blip. Everything has limits and we're way beyond the limits of reasonable patience waiting for the club, the team, the manager, the players to perform. Do you not suspect that if the fans just sit there and cheer this lot they'll react by taking the piss? Don't you think that finally, this lot need a huge kick up the arse, particularly as the manager seems incapable of delivering it? Walcott, he's the most senior player at the club now. What has he achieved in his time here? Not even one full season of consistency, if we are to be honest. Boo him, don't boo him, I doubt you'll get anything out of him. It's too comfortable for everyone on big rewards at this club, way too comfortable. Nobody is under any serious pressure to perform and so they don't. The fans are the only group left who can demand some accountability and raise the pressure. But we have that other group of fans, in lockstep with a media in turn tucked into Wenger's pocket - the fans who tut and wag fingers when the slightest criticism is raised. Fine, but please try to recall that this is a competitive sports club. The aim is to win, it is not to build bean bag chill zones and safe spaces.

It's hard not to disagree with the bit in bold.

There is a third set of fans. They'll go to the matches, they'll cheer on the team in spite of bad results. That doesn't, however, (and I can't stress this enough) make them complicit with Wenger and the cronies on the board. They are also dissatisfied.

In my opinion, the Wenger Out protests have to be before or after a game. Better still, have another one this coming weekend during the international break. I'm sure elements of the 'silent majority' will attend too. Furthermore, an organised protest will raise eyebrows with the people that matter (those pathetic leeches in the media) and they'll know that this isn't reactionary. Even if Wenger does/doesn't sign a contract a contract, protests every weekend of the close season during the summer will raise eyebrows and ruffle feathers, too.

One thing we can't have is an insipid anger in the stands. Wenger Out, yes. Fight your own fans, no. The respectability Arsenal fans once had has diminished.

[selassie]

I didn't mention Wenger. I'm just aghast at the laissez-faire attitude of some of our fans

The fans are the least of the clubs problems. 200 fans waving around "Wenger Out" banners is nothing compared to what he and the board truly deserve.

It is sad that it has reached a point where fans are fighting in the stands but unfortunately this is what the current regime have driven people to and they are 100% at fault for this.

Nobody likes to see our club in this state and people react in different ways, some people protest, some sit in silence, some post on message boards, some people boo the team.

I want Arsenal football club to succeed, to win, to compete for trophies, in the grand scheme of things I don't really care who is in charge of the team, I appreciate Wenger for what he has done but I don't appreciate what he is doing now, he is failing, get him out and get someone in who can manage the team properly.

I don't think there is anything wrong in wanting the team to perform at a higher level and I don't think there is anything wrong in the fans making the board, manager and team aware of their unhappiness.