Alexis Sanchez (official).

[selassie]

You're not looking at the evidence, you're reframing it to fit your theory.
Obviously Wenger cares about the club, there were times back in the day when he could have walked out for bigger money and a bigger club, but he didn't.
And he is obviously not oblibious to how things are going. I think he thinks he can fix it, but I'm pretty sure he can't.

Are we in a big mess? We have a squad that should be challenging for the title - the fact they're not is down to Wenger. We have a stadium and fanbase generating enough money that we should be competing with anyone - the fact they're not is down to Wenger. Wenger won't leave us in a mess, we're in a mess because of Wenger. Like Mourinho last year - he had them close to the relegation zone. He didn't leave them in a mess, look at them now, they were in a mess because of him. Remove Wenger and get someone in who can get them playing for him and each other and we'll be fine.

What's the worst that can happen if we do keep losing. We'll finish 8th or 9th instead of 5th or 6th? So? Does that really matter? So I wouldn't go so far to saying I hope we lose games, but I'm past caring if we do. If every loss pushes Wenger closer to the door then it's for the greater good.

Letters, as NQ has already stated we can't compare ourselves to Chelsea, we're in a mess through years of underachievement and lack of investment by Wenger and the board.

We are not in a unique position whereby we are falling out of the top 4 through some one-off season where everything has gone against us, we are where we are because we are stagnating...or if we want to be kind standing still. We have stood still for years now, little to no improvement for 5 fucking years! Everything apart from the Manager has changed yet we see the same fucking results!

Removing Wenger is a start but we have a deeply flawed mentally at the club, from the top right through to the bottom a "anything goes" mentality has been fabricated into the club, we have had a owner, manager and chief executive on regular occassions tell us winning isn't everything, they don't care about winning.

Until we put in a sustained effort to PROPERLY compete for the big prizes we're in a mess, it doesn't make sense that a club of our stature should have owners and managers happy to just take part, it's a disgrace.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Was it yours. If not whose?. Every billionaire gets rich from taking money from the masses. That includes Bill Gates or whomever else you wish to mention, though you could argue, some service was made in return for it. Warren Buffet doesn't even own any industries, doesnt offer any services, he is just great at moving money around multiplying it as he does, . Industrialists I have no problem with. Tyrants who divert governments funds to their own means are a totally different kettle of fish. If you can show that Abramovich is one of those, then Im with you.

Mention people we aren't talking about. Why?

Anyway even discounting for what happened on obtaining money, I remembered this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-spending.html

I don't understand how it got to the Abramovich idiolising anyway, it's not like we haven't spent anything recently, it has just been poorly managed.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

You know how messed up the situation is when Letters doesn't include bumbling idiot and judge him at the end of the season in his posts anymore.

If the author of that last post was unknown, I could have easily thought NQ had written it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Mention people we aren't talking about. Why?

Anyway even discounting for what happened on obtaining money, I remembered this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-spending.html

I don't understand how it got to the Abramovich idiolising anyway, it's not like we haven't spent anything recently, it has just been poorly managed.

Nobody is idolising Abramovich. His "own" money was a poor choice of words, what I meant was the Russian people's money. I referred to him simply because the chavs were brought up as a comparison when their recent history is almost the reverse of ours. If we accept that modern football is happy to have scumbags owning the clubs, Abramovich is a much more committed owner than our own money skimmer - not that that is in any way difficult. However, Abramovich seems to enjoy football, he turns up to the games and he's never denied his managers investment. Our arsehole knows fuck all about football, is invisible and the money we've spent recently ultimately came from us, the fans, whether through gate receipts, merchandise sales or the other side of the sponsorship coin. We are a "sustainable" club, don't forget. They boast about it. Translated it means they invest nothing personally and enjoy all the benefits personally, such as Stan's pending stadium loan to be underwritten by the one thing we've managed to excel at - share value. This is a club so different to the chavs it's hard to find any similarities.

[Niall_Quinn]

You're not looking at the evidence, you're reframing it to fit your theory.
Obviously Wenger cares about the club, there were times back in the day when he could have walked out for bigger money and a bigger club, but he didn't.
And he is obviously not oblibious to how things are going. I think he thinks he can fix it, but I'm pretty sure he can't.

Are we in a big mess? We have a squad that should be challenging for the title - the fact they're not is down to Wenger. We have a stadium and fanbase generating enough money that we should be competing with anyone - the fact they're not is down to Wenger. Wenger won't leave us in a mess, we're in a mess because of Wenger. Like Mourinho last year - he had them close to the relegation zone. He didn't leave them in a mess, look at them now, they were in a mess because of him. Remove Wenger and get someone in who can get them playing for him and each other and we'll be fine.

What's the worst that can happen if we do keep losing. We'll finish 8th or 9th instead of 5th or 6th? So? Does that really matter? So I wouldn't go so far to saying I hope we lose games, but I'm past caring if we do. If every loss pushes Wenger closer to the door then it's for the greater good.

We don't need to speculate on whether Wenger gives a shit about Arsenal Football Club. The evidence is in. He doesn't give a flying fuck. If he did, he wouldn't be sitting there grinning away with his little secrets as the instability shipwrecks the close of this season and threatens to sink the next one too. He's put himself and his personal interests firmly above those of the club. Nobody could say otherwise given the events to this point. Even if he comes out now and shares his top secret info he's already let the damage be done.

[Globalgunner]

There are very few ethical Billionaires. If you look across the pantheon of club owners, who would you choose to like, The Arab billionaires, the Chinese. The Taksin Shinawtras? The Yanks who bought United with a loan that United are now saddled with?. Its all dodgy money. How the Russian Oligarchs came to be is another story.....Anyhows we are all getting sidetracked by the real issue here

Wenger Out!

[fakeyank]

You know how messed up the situation is when Letters doesn't include bumbling idiot and judge him at the end of the season in his posts anymore.

[Letters]

There's no comparison between ourselves and the chavs. When Maureen got the push they were left with Abramovich, a guy who has sunk his own money in to win. Strange to think we used to slaughter him for doing that. If Wenger ever leaves we get left with a leech who is all about what he can suck out of the club. In the Wenger era the chavs have transformed from a mid table outfit to one of the world's top clubs and they have a CL trophy in the cabinet. We've done the reverse, regressed from champions to also rans and the trophy cabinet is absent any of the silverware that would mark us out as a genuine premier club. Maureen might have lost the dressing room but he's not a shit coach that beats the competitive edge out of his players. Our bloke takes players and turns them into plodding, sideways passing, spineless drones. There's no guarantee at all a new manager will be able to undo the damage. A whole new team might be required. We're nothing like the chavs, we're the opposite.

In January you said we needed 2 new players.
Then more recently you said we need a clear out and maybe 6 or 7.
Now you're saying we might need a whole new team.

Stop being silly. We've got players who have won World Cups and other major trophies. We have a pretty good squad but they are not a good team. Get a good coach in who the players can get behind and they can make them in to one. You don't have to be a Chelsea to see a drastic change in fortunes under a new manager. There was that season when Spurs got off to an amusingly bad start and were flirting with the relegation zone for a while. Then 'Arry took over, got them playing again and I think they finished top 6 - and he is no footballing genius. Wenger might have made us into a bad team but they're not suddenly a group of bad players.

The board level concerns me and replacing Wenger won't fix that but if we get the right person in then we'll be up there challenging with this group of players and maybe a couple of additions, there's not much wrong with the squad.

EDIT: The season I mentioned above was 2008/9, Spurs actually finished 8th but they only had 2 points from the first 8 games.

[Niall_Quinn]

There's not much wrong with the squad? Apart from their inability to compete against any team that won't lie down for them? Those chav players who rebelled against Maureen hadn't been drilled in the Wenger Way for seasons on end, with the pub standard defending, the shit sideways play and that extra fucking pass that destroys us offensively. All of that shit will have to be undone by whoever comes in when Wenger dies of old age and his stuffed cadaver is eventually retired.

[Letters]

Again, in January you said we only needed 2 players. Why now do we suddenly need the whole team replacing? There isn't much wrong with the squad, there's a lot wrong with the team. A good coach can fix that. You're giving Wenger too much 'credit' if you think he can make them bad players. And why are you talking about Chelsea again? I gave another example of a team transformed by a different manager and they were nowhere near as good as Chelsea.