The discussion was purely about changes on and around the pitch.
We all know there are other things which need to change. But if you think there are deeper problems then while you might be right having a clear out of the squad isn't going to help anyway.
Disagree sorry, I think our the squad Wenger has built is average, defensively inept, no leaders, no real desire to win and not enough variety, I'd make wholesale changes personally, i'd get rid of Monreal, Gibbs, Walcott, Mustafi, Giroud, Gabriel, Coquelin, Mertersacker, Wellbeck I'd probably be tempted to ditch Xhaka as well as I'm not sure he's what we need...Ramsey is touch and go, in the right team he could be an asset....in my book that's a clearout. Add to that a replacement for Sanchez who is likely to leave as well, I'd be templted to find a new keeper too as Cech is no spring chicken and has started looking past his best.Originally Posted by Letters
No, we don't.
Have they? How many of our regular starters have actually grown up at Arsenal? Ox has and he's one of the few players that some on here have credited with having some fight.
Quite a few of our players have come in relatively recently and won plenty of trophies elsewhere. And suddenly they all need replacing?
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You're saying a good coach couldn't come in and change our style with the same players? Wenger did, we were "boring boring Arsenal" when he joined (arguably we are again now, in a different way) and he completely changed the way we played without replacing the entire squad from day one. Good players, and we have plenty of those, can adapt. And if you don't think we have good players then why complain that we're not title contenders? My disappointment this season is because I think we have a squad which should challenge, but we're not.
We need a new manager and a couple of additions to the squad. That's all.
A good coach would make a difference, but ultimately he'd had to build his own team and wipe any trace of Wenger away, wholesale changes would be included in that, this squad needs serious surgery as Wenger has neglected it badly, I think Wenger has done a horrendous job building a squad, a couple of additions won't cut it, our players are very overrated and have been for years, it's time to get back to basics and build a team from back to font again, a decent defence, some agression and creativity in midfield with genuine wingers and goalscorers up front.....add to that some leadsership sprinkled around....right now we're in a right mess in every sense.
IMO this is defnitely one of our worst teams in recent history, problems all over the pitch.
Till this year our squad has consistently been in the top few in the league. You don't know what average means.
There's a mentality issue, we need some reinforcements and some decent coaching but we don't nee to make big changes to the squad to see us challenging for the title.
Our squad has been consistently double digits behind the champions. Yes, we have been superior to other shite in the league, but never anywhere close to winning the thing. Not even when all our rivals bombed and Leicester City breezed past to win it. Wenger's record is actually shameful, the only thing that has saved him from well deserved ridicule is the lunacy of 4th placed clubs being allowed to compete in the "champions" league.
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And you have consistently saying how bad Wenger is a coach. And we still finished in the top few. Doesn't sound like a bad squad to me.
First priority is get Wenger out, see how we do without a little bit handbrake on. Then we can properly assess our squad but I don't think there's too much wrong with it.
Wenger 100% has to go but I also think the squad could do with a spring clean, we have a lot of damaged goods in our squad that wouldn't make the bench of a lot of our rivals.
If we want to improve then we need to improve the playing squad aswell as the manager.
Improve, I'd agree with. But I don't think we need to make wholesale changes.
Hard to say what we need until Wenger goes. Start of the season I thought we had all bases covered but it looks like we’ve been badly exposed. An argument can be made for needing wholesale changes but I don’t think Spurs or Liverpool come close to the players we have but they’re well ahead of us. It boils down to management. That’s not to say we don’t have some seriously flawed players. Xhaka, Ramsey, Walcott, Giroud and Welbeck are first to spring to mind. But another manager may be able to get a lot more from them.
Sad fact is he's not going, so all of this is a moo point.
The old goat just conned everyone by sending out a back three against the worst attacking unit in the league. Seems to have worked. Seems like he's changed and is finally listening to the fans. For me, that's enough to overlook the hopeless Giroud up front in preference to the once Golden Boot candidate banished to the wings. And the two central defenders who get bullied every match. And the chugging Monreal who was hilariously deployed as a wing back. And the shadow that is Xhaka, Mr Sideways. And the poor man's Kante, Coquelin. And the hot and cold Walcott who was finally showing a bit of fight so got benched. And the fragile Welbeck who is injured again. And the missing Cazorla who we haven't come close to replacing. And the Ox, who is surely shop windowing himself with his string of decent performances? And Ozil, who has learned quickly it's fine to turn up when you fancy under this regime. And, of course, Alexis who looks so out of place at this club, like a guy passing through on his way to more interesting destinations.
But we played a back three. So all in all I'd say there are more positives than negatives.
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Top few but a million miles away from the prize, our performances have been not great overall, yes we've been picking up points but we really haven't impressed, IMO there's nothing about this team, so far away from being a winning team. Just because they get a few results it doesn't mean they're good enough, to build a top team you need the right mix of players and importantly leaders and winners, we've got none of that.
This lot are good enough if you're aiming for being also rans, but not if you want to win something, major surgery needed in defence, midfield and up front and we need to get rid of those players who are always injured like Gibbs and Wellbeck on top of that.
We've been close according to Wenger and co for years, except we haven't, like many things about Arsenal it's a case of being overrated and believing unjustified hype in players who have never delivered real success, there's a few exceptions of course but not many, when the going gets tough most of this lot go missing, it's been proven year on year.
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