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    Quote Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur View Post
    It’s not worth the energy. I’m still ‘concerned’ by our performance. When we’ve got too much of the ball we have no idea how to break a team down. It’s not going to get any easier.
    We have no idea how to break them down because we give them every assistance in maintaining their defensive cohesion and there's no better team than Arsenal at allowing an opponent to ease into a game at a nice sedate pace and get themselves set up and encouraged. It's pathetic. Wenger watches it every week and yet every week we get the slow motion start and the open invitation for the opposition. Said at the start of the season, Wenger has become an intense coward, afraid of his own shadow. His whole philosophy seems to be, if the opponent doesn't get the ball they can't hurt us. And so we get 99% possession and no attempts on goal.

    The way the players have been drilled to look for the sideways pass first. The way they have been discouraged from having a go, maybe losing the ball but equally perhaps unsettling a defence with a burst of speed, a 50/50 pass into the danger zone, a first time cross, a snapshot. Or, for heavens sake Theo Walcott, a run at the defender and an attempt to beat him. When that defender knows you are going to hit him with pace relentlessly throughout a game then he'll be under pressure the whole game. But we don't do that. We helpfully relieve the pressure on our opponent until we grind into the last segment of the match and then might decide to pick up the tempo a bit.

    This horrific approach to football has been developing for several seasons now and has taken us from being one of the best footballing teams in the league to the most boring, pointless non-entity. It has affected the players, the fans, the reputation of the club, the attitude of our opponents, everything and in a negative way. There are no upsides to how we play. No benefits, nothing. We can afford good enough players to scrape out a shitty trudge to a CL placing and that's the absolute limit. Wengerball has brought us nowhere near a title challenge.

    And yet he won't change it. This is why I call him the worst manager in football. All the genuinely terrible managers get sacked pretty quickly. The rest of them at least have enough humility to accept they can learn from their mistakes and possibly improve. Wenger has zero humility, refuses to learn from his mistakes, has an ego spanning the entire club, seeping into every nook and cranny, unheard of control freakishness and NO RESULTS TO SHOW FOR ANY OF IT. And they WON'T SACK HIM. Therefore, we have ended up with, by far, the worst conceivable manager. A man who is destroying the club at every level but has such a flawed character he is determined to persist regardless.

    Two more seasons, at least, of this? I doubt I could bear it. What would be the point of it? Life is short and can't be wasted on Wenger. I think fans who have any self regard will be obliged to part ways with the club if Wenger stays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    "marshmallow willy"
    That's you, that is.
    NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GP View Post
    That's you, that is.
    He knows. No need for you to rub him up the wrong way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    He knows. No need for you to rub him up the wrong way.
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    You can't tell me what to do.
    NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GP View Post
    You can't tell me what to do.
    We're telling you what not to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    We have no idea how to break them down because we give them every assistance in maintaining their defensive cohesion and there's no better team than Arsenal at allowing an opponent to ease into a game at a nice sedate pace and get themselves set up and encouraged. It's pathetic. Wenger watches it every week and yet every week we get the slow motion start and the open invitation for the opposition. Said at the start of the season, Wenger has become an intense coward, afraid of his own shadow. His whole philosophy seems to be, if the opponent doesn't get the ball they can't hurt us. And so we get 99% possession and no attempts on goal.

    The way the players have been drilled to look for the sideways pass first. The way they have been discouraged from having a go, maybe losing the ball but equally perhaps unsettling a defence with a burst of speed, a 50/50 pass into the danger zone, a first time cross, a snapshot. Or, for heavens sake Theo Walcott, a run at the defender and an attempt to beat him. When that defender knows you are going to hit him with pace relentlessly throughout a game then he'll be under pressure the whole game. But we don't do that. We helpfully relieve the pressure on our opponent until we grind into the last segment of the match and then might decide to pick up the tempo a bit.

    This horrific approach to football has been developing for several seasons now and has taken us from being one of the best footballing teams in the league to the most boring, pointless non-entity. It has affected the players, the fans, the reputation of the club, the attitude of our opponents, everything and in a negative way. There are no upsides to how we play. No benefits, nothing. We can afford good enough players to scrape out a shitty trudge to a CL placing and that's the absolute limit. Wengerball has brought us nowhere near a title challenge.

    And yet he won't change it. This is why I call him the worst manager in football. All the genuinely terrible managers get sacked pretty quickly. The rest of them at least have enough humility to accept they can learn from their mistakes and possibly improve. Wenger has zero humility, refuses to learn from his mistakes, has an ego spanning the entire club, seeping into every nook and cranny, unheard of control freakishness and NO RESULTS TO SHOW FOR ANY OF IT. And they WON'T SACK HIM. Therefore, we have ended up with, by far, the worst conceivable manager. A man who is destroying the club at every level but has such a flawed character he is determined to persist regardless.

    Two more seasons, at least, of this? I doubt I could bear it. What would be the point of it? Life is short and can't be wasted on Wenger. I think fans who have any self regard will be obliged to part ways with the club if Wenger stays.


    Was at the Palace game with a mate yesterday as its far more entertaining than being at my own club. If you look at the managers they have, Alardyce who saw the need to shore up his central defense & the need for a proper DM went out and got Sacko & the Serbian in Jan window - a little time to get the team settled into the new system & the results are plain to see. They were the better side in the 1st half yesterday. So much so, Pochahuntis decided to do the unthinkable in Wengers mind & make not one but 2 changes at half time. The Spuds then went on to dominate & win the game.
    2 managers - totally different tactically but able to see what is required to shore up a leaky defense or to break down teams & win games. Wenger has non of these abilities anymore & we are talking about Alardyce FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    This is the usual rush toward top 4 we always seem to do isn't it, been awful this season but we're going on a mini run Wenger will then be able to tell everybody they were wrong (he has already hasn't he), sign his contract and pretend it's all good thus papering over the cracks.

    You can already see it now, a few wins and the rebellion is disappearing and Wenger is becoming very smug again, citing, togetherness, hunger etc, after years of the same thing it gets very boring, sadly it looks like it's going to continue and Wenger will be sitting there with his bumper new contract at the end of the season, patting himself on the back on another good season and another season where he has proved everyone wrong and his players have proved they are good enough to win everything.

    Seen this too many times now, an end of season mini unbeaten run after a disastrous collapse, seems to be happening again.
    I think our run will end on Sunday, also if you look at our remaining fixtures then I'd be surprised if we don't lose at least once...if not twice.

    Top 4 is gone, we have to win all of our games to finish in top 4 and hope that one of the teams above....well Liverpool...drops points.

    We haven't looked at all convincing in the past 3 games...we are scrambling out victories albeit with a lot of luck. Wenger has nothing to gain from this season and nothing to gain from telling anybody he is right because he isn't, he is wrong and he is being left behind, that is clear for all to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    I think our run will end on Sunday, also if you look at our remaining fixtures then I'd be surprised if we don't lose at least once...if not twice.

    Top 4 is gone, we have to win all of our games to finish in top 4 and hope that one of the teams above....well Liverpool...drops points.

    We haven't looked at all convincing in the past 3 games...we are scrambling out victories albeit with a lot of luck. Wenger has nothing to gain from this season and nothing to gain from telling anybody he is right because he isn't, he is wrong and he is being left behind, that is clear for all to see.
    The only thing i would add is that if you were a 67 year old who earned good money had a job where you were in control of everything and were pathologically scared of retiring....even if you know in your own mind you haven't got it any more what's to gain from walking away?

    Adoration of the fans is nice, but if we think for a second that losing that respect would cause him to lose any sleep (or whether it would for us if we were Wenger) we need to think again.

    My Dad is Wenger's age (six months younger only just turned 67), and does not want to retire. The difference is he wouldn't be kept on if he was no longer able to perform that job to the highest level.

    We can blame Wenger all we want for the results and performances, he's in charge of every aspect of football so it is his responsibility. We can blame him all we want for being selfish and not just going.....but i'm honestly not sure in his position that i would walk.

    I'm not saying for a second anyone should be sympathetic with Wenger, all i'm saying is that what he's doing is whilst frustrating and annoying not really inexplicable

    What is inexplicable are his employers.

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