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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    It's a bit like how some footballers dread retiring because they're late 30s and it's all they've known since they were in their teens, so what is left? What can replace the buzz of the big game?
    It's totally centred around fear of change

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I don't understand what Wenger's getting out of this any more.
    Money, obviously, but he's already a multi-millionaire. He doesn't want for anything. I don't think he's too fussed about the money actually, I think he'd do it for free - he's addicted to the whole buzz of it.
    But as things turn more sour with the fans and results increasingly get worse it clearly takes a toll on him Surely someone close to him should be saying "Come on, fella, you've had a good run - time to call it a day".
    I think if he went at the end of the season, win the FA Cup or not, in time when people have calmed down they would appreciate his legacy. The longer this drags on the more damage it does to that. Shame.
    It really does sour his reputation. He doesn’t have to retire. He could easily get the football buzz that he craves somewhere else and maybe successfully mask his short comings as a manger. A few years at a Madrid or Barca and he must be able to get away pull in some sort of silverware. Or go to France, Italy or Germany and takeover one of the biggest clubs that has the most money and best players. Pull a Pep with Bayern! Or if the pressure of winning trophies is too much, take on an underdog team and bask in the glories failure heaven. Another project club that needs reshaping…he has options. But the longer he stays at Arsenal and fails he only exposes himself and opens himself up to more criticism.

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    I think he genuinely loves Arsenal and wants to deliver one last big trophy, every season he becomes more like a desperate gambler staying for one more hand trying to recoup his losses.
    It would be nice if we win the FA Cup and he then leaves. Maybe not quite the high he hoped but winning it 3 years out of 4 would be an achievement, he'd be the outright record holder as a manager and I think we would be as a club.

    I don't think any of that will happen though.

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    That would be the ideal scenario. Anything can happen in the final but I doubt he'd leave even if he won.

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    The question is would the likes of Bayern, Real, Barca, PSG even look at Wenger i'd have my doubts and i think he knows that, plus he knows he'd be only a head coach in a set up that he wouldn't get to choose. I think he has total control over Arsenal and has had it for so long he's scared to give it up.

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    I think he'd get a job at a big club but maybe not at that sort of level and agree he wouldn't have the autonomy he has at Arsenal.

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    I still think the Wenger name still holds it value around the top clubs. But it doesn’t matter either way. If he wants complete control, there are other clubs he can go to in order to get that along with a lengthy contract and good salary. He doesn’t have to tarnish his reputation here with the fans in the process. If he’s not hungry for trophies and wants another project, find a Southampton type club elsewhere and he could focus on developing players and the structure of the club. That has to be better than out staying your welcome at Arsenal. Someone has to set him straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur View Post
    I still think the Wenger name still holds it value around the top clubs. But it doesn’t matter either way. If he wants complete control, there are other clubs he can go to in order to get that along with a lengthy contract and good salary. He doesn’t have to tarnish his reputation here with the fans in the process. If he’s not hungry for trophies and wants another project, find a Southampton type club elsewhere and he could focus on developing players and the structure of the club. That has to be better than out staying your welcome at Arsenal. Someone has to set him straight.
    I don't think there is any club that is in the top flight of European football that would allow him to operate with the same autonomy that the club has allowed him. Southampton has a very structured system for instance, and the modern football set up largely makes the manager but a cog in the machine, yes the manager still decides who plays and who doesn't and to what formation and to what tactics but they don't control everything from a football aspect top to bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    I don't think there is any club that is in the top flight of European football that would allow him to operate with the same autonomy that the club has allowed him. Southampton has a very structured system for instance, and the modern football set up largely makes the manager but a cog in the machine, yes the manager still decides who plays and who doesn't and to what formation and to what tactics but they don't control everything from a football aspect top to bottom.
    Again, it doesn't have to be the top flight and I mean Southampton before the structure. Wenger can help a struggling club to get to that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur View Post
    Again, it doesn't have to be the top flight and I mean Southampton before the structure. Wenger can help a struggling club to get to that point.
    No but do you really think a man of 67 would take on a job that's a long project, rather than one where he's totally in a comfort zone. Letters himself spoke about the lack of spark or challenge, but at that age you don't want to be too challenged.
    My Dad as I previously mentioned is Wengers age, my brother and I constantly talk to him about taking up a consultancy role where he can pick his own hours but I don't think he wants the hassle of having that in place but equally he's scared of retiring like Wenger is.
    Now I don't think my Dad is being selfish, as I don't believe he would do anything that would put strain on him and his health (he's only just gone back to work after a three month recovery period after an op to remove cancer) and I think Wenger is being selfish as I think his decision is preventing the club from moving on.
    And you may be right the board might not want to sack him out of a sense of loyalty and that might be the only explanation for their behaviour, but the point I'm making is you're right he's tarnishing his reputation and his legacy but ultimately I think his first and foremost issue is not being able to tear himself away from a job that takes up all his waking hours.
    And I don't think he'd want to have to start again elsewhere in order to maintain that, I can understand that even if I know in this life we don't always have the luxury of getting what we want.
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