Ozil - Do we need him?

[mastermind84]

What he’s doing offensively for Chelsea is all the proof you need.

this is why its tough to have a conversation with you. You don't do context and don't care about nuance. Look at the runners in that midfield vs our midfield's lack of athleticism. He don't cover as much space for Chelsea as he does for us.

Even still, he doesnt play much for Chelsea because Conte knows he cant rely on him in that system.

You play him in our system where Wenger doesnt know what he wants his midfielders to do and they have to run more, he would be badly exposed quickly. Shit, the match we played at the Emirates ended Fabregas' time as a starter under Conte because he was woefully off pace.

Our problem isnt a talent problem, but a system problem.

That isn't absolving anyone, but its hard to judge anyone at Arsenal under Wenger.

Also, if Cazorla would have stayed fit throughout the season, does anyone here think we'd have seen a different season and gear to our play?

we were shit with Cazorla playing.

We were just finishing at a ridiculously high percentage yet were still struggling to be beat the bottom teams in the league.

[Niall_Quinn]

That isn't absolving anyone, but its hard to judge anyone at Arsenal under Wenger.

That's the long and short of it.

[Power n Glory]

The original question is do we need ozil, imo the answer is no. Generally speaking, in the premier league you need players that have energy, high work rate and desire, and imo he lacks all 3.

If you replace him with a player that has those 3 attributes I think we'd do much much better.

sums it up.

[Niall_Quinn]

sums it up.

Nope, it really doesn't. In this league you need a mix of player types. Certainly the high energy Kante types, for sure. But also the speed merchants, the leaders, the blood and guts defender types, and the playmaker - every good team has one. When you get the right blend you get a good team.

[Niall_Quinn]

Here you go, the great Eriksen against the lazy Ozil. As we can see, Ozil does as much defensive work as the flavour of the month. All that media bullshit is just a myth, and too many fans lap it up.

Truth is, both players are important to their teams but Eriksen prospers because he's in a much better team.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma.../clearances#90

[Marc Overmars]

To be honest I don't think many Arsenal fans really believe he is lazy. The problem comes from the perception that he doesn't have enough of an impact on us as a team.

Mourinho called him out at Madrid for being a pussy and he was probably right.

[Niall_Quinn]

To be honest I don't think many Arsenal fans really believe he is lazy. The problem comes from the perception that he doesn't have enough of an impact on us as a team.

Mourinho called him out at Madrid for being a pussy and he was probably right.

Plenty call him lazy. They say he goes missing. What they are really seeing is the whole team go missing because it's directed by an incompetent. Then the frustration is taken out on Ozil because people expect him to somehow compensate for the total lack of a team around him. But it's the same with Alexis, same with Walcott, same with Welbeck, same for all of them. All individuals absent a team structure. And when we do manage to find a tint bit of cohesion, Wenger snuffs it out with a sub or a benching or one of his weird positional switches. Nobody can succeed here while Wenger is in charge and it has been that way for a few years now. And he's getting worse every season.

[mastermind84]

Here you go, the great Eriksen against the lazy Ozil. As we can see, Ozil does as much defensive work as the flavour of the month. All that media bullshit is just a myth, and too many fans lap it up.

Truth is, both players are important to their teams but Eriksen prospers because he's in a much better team.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma.../clearances#90

go even further and compare it to Alexis.

Fans and media think Alexis has high workrate and use that to critique Ozil, but Alexis is one of the laziest forwards in the league.

[Letters]

Wrong wrong wrong.

Has anyone seen Ozil perform for Germany at a much higher standard than what you've seen for Arsenal?

Well, he was in the squad that won the World Cup last year and I think he played most games so he was obviously doing ok.
His assist stats before he came to us were ridiculous and even for us at times they've been impressive in what hasn't been a great side in the last couple of years. He's a strange choice to pick for criticism IMO.

[Dicks and chicks]

Well, he was in the squad that won the World Cup last year and I think he played most games so he was obviously doing ok.
His assist stats before he came to us were ridiculous and even for us at times they've been impressive in what hasn't been a great side in the last couple of years. He's a strange choice to pick for criticism IMO.

He was shit for Germany at the world cup