Wenger Referendum IV

[Power n Glory]

But you were saying something about Gazidis doing a good job in the states and possibly being hampered by Wenger. What's changed over the last few months?

Back to the statement thing...have you forgotten when he made a statement in October?

"Arsenal is not Arsene Wenger. They're not one and the same thing," Gazidis said. "What Arsene has done is to capture and understand and embrace the values of the club and enhance them."

The CEO added: "In a football sense, he has transformed the club. But I think from a value standpoint, we've been doing work in our local community for 30 years, before Arsene Wenger came to the club."

Nothing was forced.

But dig up what you said about his time in the US otherwise we're just talking in circles.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

But you were saying something about Gazidis doing a good job in the states and possibly being hampered by Wenger. What's changed over the last few months?

Back to the statement thing...have you forgotten when he made a statement in October?



Nothing was forced.

But dig up what you said about his time in the US otherwise we're just talking in circles.

Was that directed at NQ or me?

If i recall what i stated was that Gazidis was one of the founding executives behind the MLS which I then went on to say means that despite the media insisting that Wenger is the only one at the club with any footballing knowledge that Gazidis does have reasonably extensive knowledge on the game as well.

[Power n Glory]

I think Wenger always loses his rag when is authority or expertise is questioned. His reaction to the DoF questioning showed a loss of control and a lack of political awareness, if indeed this is political on the part of Gazidis.

Been saying that for a while and it would always annoy me when pundits would say someone needs to step in and 'help' Arsene. He doesn't want it and this is another example of him getting tetchy when challenged. Hence why we haven't got coaches around to challenge him and why he doesn't encourage former players to join him.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Been saying that for a while and it would always annoy me when pundits would say someone needs to step in and 'help' Arsene. He doesn't want it and this is another example of him getting tetchy when challenged. Hence why we haven't got coaches around to challenge him and why he doesn't encourage former players to join him.

He's an arrogant old fossil who believes he is Atlas at Arsenal, but he's been deified by his employers and that was the case before Kroenke became Lord and master. Even in the media there are still sections that think the fans are ungrateful toe rags for not appreciating everything he's done for us, and I'm not sure all of that is PR put out by the club. Some see what he brings as stability, in terms of our league finishes for sure but the football management is chaotic and we do benefit quite a lot from the charity of those around us.

Despite the money placed into it, this isn't an especially impressive league and certainly has very little to show on the European stage in the last two or three seasons.

Liverpool have if anything overachieved with what to me is a very average squad, and Man City half the players there don't seem to be able to play the kind of football Pep wants plus the league itself is much more physical and defensive than what he is used to.

The joke is its actually possible for us to finish third let alone fourth.

In terms of Wengers contract it's arguable that the FA cup will have absolutely no impact on what happens at the end of the season, finish third or fourth and we all know that nothing will change and he will be able to write his own contract.

[Power n Glory]

Was that directed at NQ or me?

If i recall what i stated was that Gazidis was one of the founding executives behind the MLS which I then went on to say means that despite the media insisting that Wenger is the only one at the club with any footballing knowledge that Gazidis does have reasonably extensive knowledge on the game as well.

That's for you. You said something along the lines of him being the closest thing we have to salvation also. We've been down this route before.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That's for you. You said something along the lines of him being the closest thing we have to salvation also. We've been down this route before.

He is, that's why I am not overly in an optimistic frame of mind

I'll be happy for him to try to prove me wrong though

[Power n Glory]

Checking Arseblog's Twitter feed and he even admits if Gazidis leaves this summer and Wenger stays, it's bad for the club.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Checking Arseblog's Twitter feed and he even admits if Gazidis leaves this summer and Wenger stays, it's bad for the club.

Again I don't think I've argued that wouldn't be the case

All I'm saying is that Gazidis gets no concessions from Wenger after setting his stall out like that, if he doesn't go he will lose a lot of credibility.

I think this one of them will go is a bit overblown, they will both be here next season. It's a case of what setup Wenger is operating under, it won't make any difference to us because it will still be the same has been manager but like I said it will determine whether Gazidis is all mouth and no trousers or he has the ability to influence things.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsene Wenger will continue to have the final say on transfers even if Arsenal press ahead with plans to appoint a director of football.

Wenger has publicly opposed the club's proposals to recruit a European-style football figurehead in recent weeks.

As it stands, the Frenchman has control of footballing matters at the Emirates Stadium and such an appointment would see the manager's power diminish significantly.

However, Sportmail understands that the 67-year-old, in what represents a mini-triumph in his desire to stay at the club, will continue to be the ultimate decision-maker when it comes to first-team footballing issues.

The pending appointment will lead the club's football-related off-field operations; with contract negotiations for existing and new players and ensuring the academy and scouting structures are kept updated among the new man's responsibilities.

The news will be music to Wenger's ears, with the Frenchman determined to extend his current deal that expires at the end of the season.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...transfers.html

Sly, sneaky. They are moving the discussion away from whether Wenger should stay or go, to how much power he should have.

[Gooner23]

Hopefully the fans won't be taken in by it. Wenger needs to GTFO, it's as simple as that.