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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I actually responded to that , so I don't think it's me who has the reading problem.



    Well, those things are of concern and it's why we're not as competitive as we should be given our squad. But contrary to some people's opinions I don't see us in a terminal decline. We are stagnating and have done so for years.
    I care about our finances only in as much as it's important in the modern game.
    We are treading water while Wenger remains with us but were he to leave now I don't think we'd be in bad shape for the new manager. Whether we will be in 2 years remains to be seen but past performance indicates we are unlikely to terminally decline under him so I'm not sure there's reason to believe that we'll be in a worse (or better) stage when he does leave. Possible that we will start to decline under him but we haven't yet despite people's predictions that we'd be in mid-table by now.
    Then it's a comprehension problem. You're still asking what I mean after I've made the point.

    We ended up in 5th despite spending more money than we ever did when first moving into the Emirates.

    You always come back at people that say this is the year we’ll finally drop out of the top 4 and when it finally happens you’re still in denial. We may not see a steep sharp fall off a cliff anytime soon but whilst we’ve stagnated, the tides are rising.

    Furthermore, put aside constant goal post shifting when it comes to measuring performances. The question is, if you’re not watching the football and have lost interest because of the way we’re managed, how is that a sign of us being in ‘good shape’? Why even argue about performances if you no longer give a shit about the club? The argument has gone way over your head. Forget any talk of falling out of the top 4 or being a midtable team, that’s nothing compared to fans just throwing the towel in. It’s bigger than GW. I guarantee that most people on here that used to speak with close friends and family about Arsenal don’t even bother any more. I know that’s true of my circle and I’ve a lot of other people say the same. That’s the bigger picture. You can see it and hear it at the ground as well.

    If Wenger would have left this season, I’d agree about us being in good shape to change things up. There would have been hope to hanging on to Sanchez and even if not, I’m sure a new manager would have had an idea for possible replacements. But what I didn’t anticipate is the way prices have gone through the roof. God knows what we’ll be looking at in two years and that’s even if Wenger leaves in two years. Again, we have an owner that still renewed his contract despite dropping out of the top 4 and obvious drop in revenue plus fan discontent. Fuck knows the type of manager they decide to appoint when he finally fucks offs. That’s the real worry. If they do something stupid like appoint a complete novice to takeover, we’re going to be fucked.

    Also, how can you not see us in a state of decline despite constantly referencing Man Utd dropping out of the Top 4 after changing managers?

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    LOL. He's doing it on purpose.
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    He's even more senile than the child rapist Donald Trump.
    NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GP View Post
    He's even more senile than the child rapist Donald Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur View Post
    We ended up in 5th despite spending more money than we ever did when first moving into the Emirates.
    OK. And the 3 seasons before that we finished 4th, then 3rd, then 2nd. Yes, we then dropped to 5th but if you draw a graph of those 4 years then there's no clear trend, is there?
    Last year's 5th place COULD be the start of a downward trend or it could be a blip. We can't tell right now.

    The question is, if you’re not watching the football and have lost interest because of the way we’re managed, how is that a sign of us being in ‘good shape’?
    I'm not sure how my personal interest, or lack thereof, is in any way correlated with the state of the club. You cited a general lowering of interest and while that is certainly evident on here (particularly by NQ who has watched both games so far and avidly posted about them in the match threads to show how disinterested he is), there is only a problem for the club if there is a serious drop in match day revenue and so far I haven't see much evidence of that.
    I've lost interest because of the endless Groundhog Day at Arsenal and because of how football as a sport has gone. That COULD become a problem if the disinterest becomes more widespread and the ground starts to empty but right now that hasn't happened. And actually, even if it did that might wake the board up to replace the manager and it wouldn't take much for the fans to return. A new manager here, a key signing there. As I said it's almost impossible to completely walk away from it all, it's not like supermarkets where you can start shopping at another one and you probably won't switch back. It wouldn't take much for fans to get engaged again. If they change to the wrong manager then that could see us decline more seriously although the whole way football is set up right now is designed to keep the rich clubs rich. Utd did drop out of the top 4 when they changed to Moyes but it hasn't taken them long to get back on track because they have the resources to do so and I imagine they'll be back up there this season.

    Why even argue about performances if you no longer give a shit about the club?
    When did I ever say I don't care about the club? It's almost impossible to completely disassociate oneself from it, I kept an eye on the score on Friday and I watched the highlights (wouldn't have done had we lost).
    But I'm not as interested as I used to be, I have no idea who we are playing next or when. A few years ago it would have been in my diary, now I'm more "Meh" about it.

    We could be 'fucked' but it's impossible to be so certain about that right now.

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    I've lost interest because of the endless Groundhog Day at Arsenal and because of how football as a sport has gone. That COULD become a problem if the disinterest becomes more widespread and the ground starts to empty but right now that hasn't happened. And actually, even if it did that might wake the board up to replace the manager and it wouldn't take much for the fans to return. A new manager here, a key signing there
    As said, dropping out of the CL has resulted in a drop in revenue but Wenger was still handed a new contract. We're talking about people really having to give up on the club to see a change and there are no guarantees fans will return if interest drops so low.

    Why even argue about performances if you no longer give a shit about the club?
    Figure of speech, Letters. You've lost interest. That's bad enough.

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    It is bad that I've lost interest although to be honest I feel a bit "meh" about the whole game now. It's not the sport I grew up with, it's not a sport at all any more really and I really don't care that much which billionaire's team beats which other billionaire's team.
    Personally I hope the bubble bursts and from the wreckage we might be able to salvage something. Don't see that happening any time soon though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    It is bad that I've lost interest although to be honest I feel a bit "meh" about the whole game now. It's not the sport I grew up with, it's not a sport at all any more really and I really don't care that much which billionaire's team beats which other billionaire's team.
    Personally I hope the bubble bursts and from the wreckage we might be able to salvage something. Don't see that happening any time soon though.
    More people are coming away with that view hence why I think we’re in bad shape. Even with Wenger gone, I think it would take a lot to get people back if fans turn their back on the sport.

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    Maybe, although fans are very fickle. But I don't see an en masse turning of backs is a bad thing if it happens across the board. Might even turn it into a sport again.

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    Yeah I think it's more of a constant drip feed of apathy.

    People aren't abandoning the game en masse, but every season they are just shrugging their shoulders a little bit more

    I remember a time when an Arsenal defeat used to put me in a bad mood for the entire weekend, now it's just a quick blast of "fuck Wenger" and moving on.

    If I still had same enthusiasm for football. I think I would have been incandescent with rage over Wenger not only signing a new contract but getting up to his old prevaricating bullshit in the transfer market, now I'm just what you gonna do?
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