Summer Transfer Misery 2017/18

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think in fairness as fans we've had legitimate grievance to one extent or another for the last ten years

From I wish we'd stop bottle jobbing it when it comes to the crunch, why doesn't he fix the obvious deficiencies in the squad, I know we are operating on a budget but do we really not have a pot to piss in when it comes to transfers.

Now we are going backward, our football is terrible, defeats are more and more predictable, one crisis after another, an absentee owner who our only hope of seeing the back of is selling our souls to the vile gangster Alisher the Hutt.

The board are shown to be puppets to a manager losing touch with reality, a fanbase in civil war that's only unified now in agreeing this is a fucking tsunami of diarroeah.

Zim seems to think now he has to up the ante with "No I hate Wenger more". Holding him in about the same regard the Swift family do Sidney Cook.

He seems to me to sustain himself on indignation and negativity

The kind of guy who'll find a girl of his dreams and then just drone on and on about how she's going to leave him until she does making it a self fufilling prophecy.

Is he right about a lot of his criticisms, yes but he acts like it's an epiphany that only he had the presience to see when in fact most of us have been saying the same thing just not taking it to ridiculous extremes as a kind of doom mungering one upmanship

[Letters]

People just don't do nuance anymore.

This is one of my big problems with this place. Too many people have lost any objectivity or ability to see things in anything other than a completely black or white way.

PS: If any of you can remember your logins to the old place, a QED of my previous post is this thread from January 2006, a mere 18 months after The Invincibles, in which Zim started a thread about Wenger.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/goonersw...topic=1692&hl=

[GP]

This is one of my big problems with this place. Too many people have lost any objectivity or ability to see things in anything other than a completely black or white way.

PS: If any of you can remember your logins to the old place, a QED of my previous post is this thread from January 2006, a mere 18 months after The Invincibles, in which Zim started a thread about Wenger.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/goonersw...topic=1692&hl=

The best kids tend to come through our ranks like Gilbert!

Classic

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

This is one of my big problems with this place. Too many people have lost any objectivity or ability to see things in anything other than a completely black or white way.

PS: If any of you can remember your logins to the old place, a QED of my previous post is this thread from January 2006, a mere 18 months after The Invincibles, in which Zim started a thread about Wenger.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/goonersw...topic=1692&hl=

In fairness whilst you had the run to the champions league final, that wasn't an enjoyable season. If we went 1-0 down away from home, you could blow for full time because even if they scored in the first ten minutes we'd never get back into the game.
We accepted it as a transitional season. But largely it was one of many.

Of course it can seem overblown to say you've lost faith in someone eighteen months after the unbeaten season. But there wasn't a lot to be positive about around the time he wrote that, if I remember we had Blackburn above us in the table in February.

[Power n Glory]

I'm sorry but if Shad Forsythe and Jonker are all you have your sleeve to suggest this guy is a genius operator that's being constrained by the machinations of the Wenger and Kroenke bromance you've all your work ahead of you.

In 2014, it would have been clear to Harvey Price that we needed to address what was going on with us with injuries let alone an average CEO

Same with a youth team that clearly wasn't producing anywhere near the kind of potential it had been.

No one is suggesting Gazidis would have been throwing his bosses under the bus by being a bit circumspect with his statements but it seems abundantly clear to me that he was making a lot of grandiose promises one moment and even as you've suggested yourself completely contradicting himself the next moment with the kind of warnings George Osbourne used to make about us turning into Greece.

Now actually that statement was directly contradicted by Wenger a few days later who said he was being alarmist. So it's not just like he's towing the party line either.

I think unfortunately the business world is full of people who talk a good game, but when it comes down to brass tacks they are gimps.

In conclusion though we aren't going to agree on this. I think Gazidis is largely a waste of space. However I would add as a caveat that if Wengers departure is hastened by results on the pitch, he may get ample opportunity to prove me wrong because as I've said the responsibility to bring in a new guy and a new management structure will fall squarely on him.

Already you've gone wrong and just jumped into a counter argument without thinking about what you originally said. Weigh up words vs actions. You always seem to suggest nothing is being done and it's quite clear a lot is going on behind the scenes but it's still not enough to bring the desired results. I didn't suggest he's a genius operator. I don't even care if what he's done is obvious to most people. That's not the argument. The question is, has he tried to do something or has he sat back and ignored the fans concerns. On evidence I see, we have made changes to our set up. If he's all talk we wouldn't see structural changes at all.

You're entitled to your opinion on Gazidis, but if you're going to provide a real counter argument and not just arguing for the sake of it, it would make sense to establish who pushed for these changes at the club and why they haven't been as effective as they should have been. Is it Wenger pushing for these changes? Is it Stan? Again, I haven't argued that it's taken a genius to work out that we need to address these problems, I'm arguing that someone is paying attention to the criticism and trying to address it with action and not just words.

[Niall_Quinn]

Oh for god sake NQ, you don't need to have lived on Avenell road for your entire life or have been initiated by parents & grandparents who were Arsenal Season Ticket Holders in the past be a "real fan".

A lot of kids and overseas fans of football, who weren't affiliated with a club at the time, became enamoured with The Arsenal and chose to support them based on the success generated by Wenger during the late 90's and 00's. That's how it is - success generates new fans especially during an era where the PL has exploded in popularity. Most of these fans will continue to support the club for the rest of their lives and even get their offspring to do so and it's partly the growth of these fans that have helped contribute to making the club the mega global brand it is these days.

And it has nothing to with them being Wenger cultists - heck most of them I've seen are on the same page as you and I and want Wenger out. Whereas you get people like geoffarsenal (the guy on that podcast) who's been a Londoner all his life and supported the club for decades, who is one of the biggest Wenger champions around.

Yes, yes, fair enough. Whatever. But you know what I meant, minus the generalities.

But I think there has been a divergence. We now have Arsenal fans and Wenger fans, and the two things aren't the same and it's reaching the point where it's contradictory to claim to be an Arsenal fan if you still support Wenger. And we have fans who are blasé about the whole corporate thing because why? Because it's all they've ever known. I suppose in that respect it's not entirely their fault. I just don't get how mediocrity can be the point of competitive sport and how some people find that reasonable and acceptable. All I know is these people are, wittingly or unwittingly, part of the problem. Probably an even larger obstacle than Wenger and Kroenke themselves, because bastards like that can't survive without complacency and obedience, must like our modern day politicians.

To be honest, I'm not sure I care that much myself anymore. It's not really Arsenal and it's not really Wenger. It's the fact these two things have become identical to every other piece of crap, lying, cheating, stealing, aspect of corporate soaked life. Arenal and Wenger are the focal point, but pretty much everything is fucked up. Complacency drives me nuts. The way complacent cunts can be so reasonable about their absurd ordinariness and cowardice drives me nuts. Is there no fucking excellence anywhere? No pursuit of it? Nothing to rally behind? Are we all free to be fucking average?

I don't know. Can this football club be rescued? Is it worth rescuing? Can it serve any useful purpose in the future or are we kicking against this tidal wave of blandness? Is this it now? Are we accepting it? Are we beaten by it?

Somebody said watch tennis the other day. Goddam, that boring shite. No offence to people who like it, and no offence to the athletes who play, but the cunts sitting around the edge munching their sandwiches? Fuck that.

I miss football and I feel as if Wenger has given it then taken it away. And I guess I fucking hate his living guts for that. Especially as he swapped some of the most marvellous moments imaginable for 30 pieces of corporate silver. I hate the bloke.

[Niall_Quinn]

This is one of my big problems with this place. Too many people have lost any objectivity or ability to see things in anything other than a completely black or white way.

PS: If any of you can remember your logins to the old place, a QED of my previous post is this thread from January 2006, a mere 18 months after The Invincibles, in which Zim started a thread about Wenger.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/goonersw...topic=1692&hl=

Well stop posting here then.

[Power n Glory]

You mean a good chunk of the Wenger cultists? Fuck them, tbf. I'm talking about real fans.

Wenger loves this club? Show me the proof and compare it to the reality.

I'm sure OJ loved Nicole and that one legged sprinter loved his girlfriend before shooting her to shit. Whatever Wenger feels for the club, it's not healthy.

[Niall_Quinn]

Already you've gone wrong and just jumped into a counter argument without thinking about what you originally said. Weigh up words vs actions. You always seem to suggest nothing is being done and it's quite clear a lot is going on behind the scenes but it's still not enough to bring the desired results. I didn't suggest he's a genius operator. I don't even care if what he's done is obvious to most people. That's not the argument. The question is, has he tried to do something or has he sat back and ignored the fans concerns. On evidence I see, we have made changes to our set up. If he's all talk we wouldn't see structural changes at all.

You're entitled to your opinion on Gazidis, but if you're going to provide a real counter argument and not just arguing for the sake of it, it would make sense to establish who pushed for these changes at the club and why they haven't been as effective as they should have been. Is it Wenger pushing for these changes? Is it Stan? Again, I haven't argued that it's taken a genius to work out that we need to address these problems, I'm arguing that someone is paying attention to the criticism and trying to address it with action and not just words.

Unfortunately, whether Gazidis has been fighting or lying down is neither here nor there in the grand scheme, and I tend to think he has been fighting. The fact he hasn't resigned makes him as bad as Wenger in my book. As soon as that cunt Wenger ran of whining to Stan, Gazidis should have said fine, you want to keep this prick? Well keep him and I'm off. That would have done more for Arsenal in one hit than anything he can do behind the scenes with both arms tied behind his back. How can he possibly put up with this situation, if he is not to some degree at least complicit?

They all need to go. And none of them will go.

[Power n Glory]

And this is why Zim can fuck right off if he thinks he's been vindicated.
He's been whining forever. It's what he does.
Whineo Ergo Sum is the Zim family motto.
Now we finally have something worth whining about he's all "told you!". Oh piss off.

Give it up. You're having resort back to the old 606 board to drag up ancient history. Does it bother you that much? You have been wrong for a very long time. Accept it.