Summer Transfer Misery 2017/18

[Marc Overmars]

I think Wenger certainly had an issue with Chelsea's success post-2004, no other club was more bitter about their emergence as a force than Arsenal as we felt knocked off our perch. Wenger did stoke the fire with that so to speak. However that level of spending had never been seen before and it was a hot topic in general at time, I'm not sure he really said anything that should have affected Mourinho so personally.

Mourinho obviously regards himself as superior to pretty much every other manager in the game, no one else bar Pep and Ancelotti have a list of honours comparable to his. It eats away at him that Wenger despite no major success in the same time frame is regarded on the same plane as him.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Google how the 'voyeur' comment started and the history between Wenger and Jose.

I’ve always had a problem with Wenger’s press conferences when he makes excuses for his record. The constant whining about teams parking the bus, ‘financial doping’ arguments, foreign owners, etc. Most people feel the same way. With that in mind, I’m not going to see him as the victim or agree with you on Mourhino being obsessed with Wenger when I’ve seen Wenger constantly present these sort of arguments which were jabs directed at Chelsea and Mourinho who were champions at the time. It’s nothing to do with Mourinho not wanting to kiss ass. I believe Wenger is a petty man that holds a grudge and can go too far but it’s not built up from nothing.

Again, Google the history.


Throw insults then be prepared for the consequence. Who says you have to be reasonable?

No one says you have to be reasonable but don't be surprised if someone thinks you're a massive cunt if your response is out of proportion with what's been said and it's childish, vitriolic etc.

I completely agree with the Emirates Galactico, he hates that Wenger gets respect because he believes his achievements are more deserving of it.
In the history of the premier league managers will talk about other clubs and it can be critical in a tactical way and Mourinho is far from above doing it himself, the difference is other managers don't act like a Wanker every time.

It's not about Wenger being victimised, I don't imagine he feels victimised by Mourinho I generally don't think he gives him that much consideration full stop. And for someone like Mourinho who exudes all the pathology of someone with narcassistic personality disorder and what he says is consistent with someone who has a rather unpleasant grudge (again I refer you to the article where Mourinho it is claimed has wanted to do Wenger physical harm) against this guy because Wenger hasn't exactly been complimentary about him "If you give success to stupid people it tends to make them more not less stupid" - (frankly deserved after the voyeur comment).

So yes I think without a doubt this petty minded borderline sociopath does have an issue with Wenger regardless of what you think is the provocation which hardly seems like much provocation to a person who is right in the head.

[mastermind84]

Maybe. I think he'll have the pick of a fair few clubs. Whilst his stock isn't that high right now Ozil on a free is attractive to a lot of top clubs IMO.

Nah
His stock is very high. I think he and his camp chose to leave on a free and made it aware to interested clubs before the summer transfer window. Remember, Ozil and his team made it known to German media that he stopped negotiating with Arsenal in February.

[selassie]

Nah
His stock is very high. I think he and his camp chose to leave on a free and made it aware to interested clubs before the summer transfer window. Remember, Ozil and his team made it known to German media that he stopped negotiating with Arsenal in February.

His stock is high based on the fact he won't cost his next club a transfer fee though he will cost whoever he joins a fairly big signing on fee and fairly big wages too. If Ozil was available on the market for say 50 or 60million right now I don't think he would generate a ton of interest.

[Power n Glory]

No one says you have to be reasonable but don't be surprised if someone thinks you're a massive cunt if your response is out of proportion with what's been said and it's childish, vitriolic etc.

I completely agree with the Emirates Galactico, he hates that Wenger gets respect because he believes his achievements are more deserving of it.
In the history of the premier league managers will talk about other clubs and it can be critical in a tactical way and Mourinho is far from above doing it himself, the difference is other managers don't act like a Wanker every time.

It's not about Wenger being victimised, I don't imagine he feels victimised by Mourinho I generally don't think he gives him that much consideration full stop. And for someone like Mourinho who exudes all the pathology of someone with narcassistic personality disorder and what he says is consistent with someone who has a rather unpleasant grudge (again I refer you to the article where Mourinho it is claimed has wanted to do Wenger physical harm) against this guy because Wenger hasn't exactly been complimentary about him "If you give success to stupid people it tends to make them more not less stupid" - (frankly deserved after the voyeur comment).

So yes I think without a doubt this petty minded borderline sociopath does have an issue with Wenger regardless of what you think is the provocation which hardly seems like much provocation to a person who is right in the head.

You keep missing stuff. Is it one sided? That's all I'm arguing. Everything else you've said is irrelevant. It's clear that Mourinho doesn't like Wenger but I'd also say Wenger has a problem with the way Mourinho has gone about winning stuff. That's evident from the quote you just provided.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenger responded to being called a voyeur, I don't think he actually gives Mourinho much thought as an individual

Whether you think what Wenger has said is unwarranted at not, the consistent point is that the response is massively out of proportion and the reason for this is because Mourinho being someone who isn't well is spiteful and vindictive.

I believe what he said about the failure thing is about his resentment for getting fired from clubs which usually occurs because of his disgraceful attitude. They hated him at Real Madrid, not just the club hierarchy but the fans

Club managers talk about other clubs all the time and Wenger is no different.

I don't recall Wenger calling Ferguson a washed up alky when Ferguson said we were lucky with injuries and in the 01/02 double season said we were just obdurate scrappers and United were the best footballing side.

In my mind as I've said if someone throws a stone, you don't lob a grenade back unless you're classless cunt with psychological problems.

[Power n Glory]

I think Wenger certainly had an issue with Chelsea's success post-2004, no other club was more bitter about their emergence as a force than Arsenal as we felt knocked off our perch. Wenger did stoke the fire with that so to speak. However that level of spending had never been seen before and it was a hot topic in general at time, I'm not sure he really said anything that should have affected Mourinho so personally.

Mourinho obviously regards himself as superior to pretty much every other manager in the game, no one else bar Pep and Ancelotti have a list of honours comparable to his. It eats away at him that Wenger despite no major success in the same time frame is regarded on the same plane as him.

It came across as bitter. How deeply Wenger or Mourinho take this is anyone's guess but it looks to me as though Mourinho is envious of Wenger's legacy and the high praise. The brand of football we played left a lasting impression. But I also think Wenger is envious of Mourinho's trophy cabinet and can't understand how that brand of football can be so successful. He doesn't respect it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Biggest cunt in football is Wenger. He wrestled Maureen's undisputed title away when he signed that contract.

[mastermind84]

His stock is high based on the fact he won't cost his next club a transfer fee though he will cost whoever he joins a fairly big signing on fee and fairly big wages too. If Ozil was available on the market for say 50 or 60million right now I don't think he would generate a ton of interest.

but those clubs would be willing to pay him a huge salary and signing on fee? You see how that doesnt make a lot of sense.

[selassie]

but those clubs would be willing to pay him a huge salary and signing on fee? You see how that doesnt make a lot of sense.

Well a 20 million signing on fee and say 200k per week in wages is a lot cheaper than a 60 million transfer fee and the 200k per week wages or whatever it is he will earn.

Also factor in agents fees for the transfer.

Ozil on a free is an attractive proposition in the current market, there is no doubt about that.