Match reaction - Man City

[Niall_Quinn]

I don’t know about you but I’m starting to despise the club as a whole from top to bottom.

Better than Stockholm syndrome, which is what much of the fanbase seems to be suffering. The mere idea of Wenger not being here terrifies them.

Changing the manager is part and parcel of football and all competitive sport. Performance keeps you in your job. Non-performance gets you booted. Arsenal has changed manager many times. Wenger only arrived here after Rioch left prematurely. These things happen and must happen for a club to stay competitive, these things are normal. ONE manager in recent times has managed to go past just a few years and remain competitive at the same club. Ferguson. He's the EXCEPTION, not the rule. Even Maureen couldn't keep his job in chavland despite pulling down some of the best successes that club has ever experienced.

But we've reached the stage at this club where the notion of a change of manager is seen as dangerous, damaging, unrealistic, and it's all based on the fact the bloke has been here so long. I don't think it's even his legacy. The frightened bunnies aren't playing that tune anymore, instead they are clinging to the fear card. They have nothing else left so they pretend there's nobody out there who could possibly replace the bloke. For them, Wenger has become so familiar, and he's indoctrinated them so thoroughly in the art of mediocrity, they are happy to hang on to this nothingness rather than throw the club back into the real fight. It's as if we are on an endless time-out, watching the rest of football carry on around us while we sit in a bubble.

And our football is the same. Boring. Average. Unremarkable. This when we know the players could get back in the fight - we've seen them do it from time to time which makes it all the more infuriating.

I think the pro-Wenger lot might be an even bigger problem than Wenger himself. Alexis and Ozil said they'd wait on the outcome of Wenger's contract negotiations to make their own decisions. Well it's pretty clear how they view Wenger and their solution is to piss off. That seems to be the offer to fans who want to see a bit of ambition. Accept what you have or fuck off. Stop going. Stop watching. Give your tickets to "real" fans who get behind the manager and the club - Wenger has effectively said this himself, with all his criticism of the troublesome fans who bother him with reality and facts.

Well why should the fans fuck off? It should be the pro Wenger lot who want Wenger more than Arsenal who fuck off. Why doesn't Wenger take them all off to some island and make their little cult official?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Better than Stockholm syndrome, which is what much of the fanbase seems to be suffering. The mere idea of Wenger not being here terrifies them.

Changing the manager is part and parcel of football and all competitive sport. Performance keeps you in your job. Non-performance gets you booted. Arsenal has changed manager many times. Wenger only arrived here after Rioch left prematurely. These things happen and must happen for a club to stay competitive, these things are normal. ONE manager in recent times has managed to go past just a few years and remain competitive at the same club. Ferguson. He's the EXCEPTION, not the rule. Even Maureen couldn't keep his job in chavland despite pulling down some of the best successes that club has ever experienced.

But we've reached the stage at this club where the notion of a change of manager is seen as dangerous, damaging, unrealistic, and it's all based on the fact the bloke has been here so long. I don't think it's even his legacy. The frightened bunnies aren't playing that tune anymore, instead they are clinging to the fear card. They have nothing else left so they pretend there's nobody out there who could possibly replace the bloke. For them, Wenger has become so familiar, and he's indoctrinated them so thoroughly in the art of mediocrity, they are happy to hang on to this nothingness rather than throw the club back into the real fight. It's as if we are on an endless time-out, watching the rest of football carry on around us while we sit in a bubble.

And our football is the same. Boring. Average. Unremarkable. This when we know the players could get back in the fight - we've seen them do it from time to time which makes it all the more infuriating.

I think the pro-Wenger lot might be an even bigger problem than Wenger himself. Alexis and Ozil said they'd wait on the outcome of Wenger's contract negotiations to make their own decisions. Well it's pretty clear how they view Wenger and their solution is to piss off. That seems to be the offer to fans who want to see a bit of ambition. Accept what you have or fuck off. Stop going. Stop watching. Give your tickets to "real" fans who get behind the manager and the club - Wenger has effectively said this himself, with all his criticism of the troublesome fans who bother him with reality and facts.

Well why should the fans fuck off? It should be the pro Wenger lot who want Wenger more than Arsenal who fuck off. Why doesn't Wenger take them all off to some island and make their little cult official?

Your reaction here suggests that you really weren’t lying when you speak about how you avoid social media

[Niall_Quinn]

Your reaction here suggests that you really weren’t lying when you speak about how you avoid social media

I really don't have anything to do with social media. YouTube I suppose. That's about it.

But Twatter, Faceboot and all the fake news mainstream got a nasty shock the other day.

No more slush funds

They'll all be gone within a couple of years and I'll be able to say I never gave them a single byte. Not blowing that record now.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I really don't have anything to do with social media. YouTube I suppose. That's about it.

But Twatter, Faceboot and all the fake news mainstream got a nasty shock the other day.

No more slush funds

They'll all be gone within a couple of years and I'll be able to say I never gave them a single byte. Not blowing that record now.

Not really

The companies may go, but the concept will remain and will just be repackaged differently

[Niall_Quinn]

Not really

The companies may go, but the concept will remain and will just be repackaged differently

Technology is about to sweep them all away. The penalty they will pay for trying to control people when people increasingly refuse to be controlled. It'll probably take a century for the real power of the Internet to be fully appreciated. The printing press profoundly altered the course of humanity, but nobody would have fully appreciated the reality around the time of its invention. We are witnessing the last gasps of the legacy media and that's going to be very frightening for a lot of people, a bit like Arsenal fans who can't envisage a post-Wenger environment. But it'll be like a coma victim waking up. First confusion and disorientation, then reconnection and a whole new world.

What the dinosaurs pull to try to hang on, that's the thing to be scared of.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Technology is about to sweep them all away. The penalty they will pay for trying to control people when people increasingly refuse to be controlled. It'll probably take a century for the real power of the Internet to be fully appreciated. The printing press profoundly altered the course of humanity, but nobody would have fully appreciated the reality around the time of its invention. We are witnessing the last gasps of the legacy media and that's going to be very frightening for a lot of people, a bit like Arsenal fans who can't envisage a post-Wenger environment. But it'll be like a coma victim waking up. First confusion and disorientation, then reconnection and a whole new world.

What the dinosaurs pull to try to hang on, that's the thing to be scared of.

Yes.....

Again a microcosm of things. The mainstream media like to lie and distort so the obvious option is to seek out news sources that lie and distort more blatantly but reaffirms our own beliefs.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes.....

Again a microcosm of things. The mainstream media like to lie and distort so the obvious option is to seek out news sources that lie and distort more blatantly but reaffirms our own beliefs.

"Lies", distortion and bias (opinions) are all part of the human make-up. Real judgement comes from the whole body of imperfect evidence. But when you centralise and continuously consolidate the outlets through which this sea of bias is sifted and filtered (the mainstream) you seize control and you get to craft the message. That has been the foundational relationship between power and people for centuries. Books brought education. Technology will open gates and let anyone and everyone pass through them, carrying whatever information they wish. You're viewing this in terms of replacement rather than revolution. The revolution happened a while back and the stupid, greedy corporations built their empires on the back of it. Now, like all technology (eventually) it is finding its way into the mainstream - hence the great panic in officialdom as they rush about with their silly and impotent censorship pens and worthless ownership decrees. Nothing will flow through a central point, it will flow everywhere and it will be untraceable, uncensorable and unstoppable. Unless the dinosaurs want to shut technology down and bring us back to medieval times. They might, I suppose. They've done it to other countries.

The other possibility in terms of a negative outcome is if the majority has let its self esteem fall so low it demands its chains be restored. That's definitely a possibility. But it would have to be a very high percentage who are that hopeless.

[Özim]

Better than Stockholm syndrome, which is what much of the fanbase seems to be suffering. The mere idea of Wenger not being here terrifies them.

Changing the manager is part and parcel of football and all competitive sport. Performance keeps you in your job. Non-performance gets you booted. Arsenal has changed manager many times. Wenger only arrived here after Rioch left prematurely. These things happen and must happen for a club to stay competitive, these things are normal. ONE manager in recent times has managed to go past just a few years and remain competitive at the same club. Ferguson. He's the EXCEPTION, not the rule. Even Maureen couldn't keep his job in chavland despite pulling down some of the best successes that club has ever experienced.

But we've reached the stage at this club where the notion of a change of manager is seen as dangerous, damaging, unrealistic, and it's all based on the fact the bloke has been here so long. I don't think it's even his legacy. The frightened bunnies aren't playing that tune anymore, instead they are clinging to the fear card. They have nothing else left so they pretend there's nobody out there who could possibly replace the bloke. For them, Wenger has become so familiar, and he's indoctrinated them so thoroughly in the art of mediocrity, they are happy to hang on to this nothingness rather than throw the club back into the real fight. It's as if we are on an endless time-out, watching the rest of football carry on around us while we sit in a bubble.

And our football is the same. Boring. Average. Unremarkable. This when we know the players could get back in the fight - we've seen them do it from time to time which makes it all the more infuriating.

I think the pro-Wenger lot might be an even bigger problem than Wenger himself. Alexis and Ozil said they'd wait on the outcome of Wenger's contract negotiations to make their own decisions. Well it's pretty clear how they view Wenger and their solution is to piss off. That seems to be the offer to fans who want to see a bit of ambition. Accept what you have or fuck off. Stop going. Stop watching. Give your tickets to "real" fans who get behind the manager and the club - Wenger has effectively said this himself, with all his criticism of the troublesome fans who bother him with reality and facts.

Well why should the fans fuck off? It should be the pro Wenger lot who want Wenger more than Arsenal who fuck off. Why doesn't Wenger take them all off to some island and make their little cult official?

Totally agree, it's very weird, the manager has actually become bigger than the club for some of these people, like you said clubs (normal ones) change manager when things aren't going well.

The guy has had more than a fair chance to put things right and he's failed miserably, choosing to continue to use his flawed methods, the whole Wenger phenomena is weird to be honest, this kind of thing has never been seen in football before, a manager of a top club that has little interest in winning big trophies, never learns from his mistakes and jusr point blank refuses to change anything, that together with the fans that follow him like Lemmings finding all the excuses under the sun for him. How many more years will it take for people to see him for what he is, he's had so many bites at the cherry, failed miserably in the exact same way time and time again and still some people think he's some kinda of genius hindered by everything under the sun.

[Letters]

Totally agree, it's very weird, the manager has actually become bigger than the club for some of these people, like you said clubs (normal ones) change manager when things aren't going well.

Normal clubs have a board that cares about how things go on the pitch, not in the financial spreadsheets.
I don't like the way the billionaires have come in and bought success but they were at least aiming for trophies, not profit.
By the targets the board set for him, he is succeeding. The issue is their criteria for success is not the same as the fans.