Sp*rs match reaction

[Özim]

Cuntish behaviour is a learned habit. Of course he picked it up from Wenger.

He's the one that came out and said the players had to raise their performances if they are going to qualify for the CL, then in the next game he made a shocking error and had a shocking match that cost us the 3 points, he'd be better off keeping his mouth shut, he doesn't lead by example.

[HCZ]

Noone is denying that, but he also benefit massively from these players, he had leaders, he inherited them and they passed on that winning at all cost mentality to subsequent teams, he's publicly stated he doesn't believe that captains are important, he doesn't value leadership so would have never signed players like them, consequently he would have never won the trophies he did.

As NQ said, right place, right time, had he gone to Spurs or Liverpool for example he wouldn't have achieved this success as they never had that solid foundation to start with.

I'd question his management ability, it's plain to see this isn't of a very high level, far too many flaws to be.

I’d turn that around and say how many managers would have come to Arsenal built the team in the way he did and enjoyed the success he did between say 1996 and 2004.

Not a great manager tactically but the fact remained is he took players that weren’t making it at other clubs and improved them, and in the process broke all kinds of records.

[Power n Glory]

He's the one that came out and said the players had to raise their performances if they are going to qualify for the CL, then in the next game he made a shocking error and had a shocking match that cost us the 3 points, he'd be better off keeping his mouth shut, he doesn't lead by example.

He has no business pointing the finger at missed chances when we can't keep a clean sheet! If he wants to talk about performances, he should talk about his own and the defenders.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger had failings even back then? Who knew

I know there are pro Wenger people who tried to make out he was infallible but it really wasn’t ever the case

Because Wenger is completely stale his failings are far more immediate. It wasn’t that you were somehow missing something back then, it’s that a manager free of flaws doesn’t exist. I agree he’s not one of the all time greats because he hasn’t won in Europe or won back to back titles but he was up against better managers and teams with more money even then.

I don’t see the need to forensically analyse the past, what he achieved back in the day was both excellent and impressive. But those days are long gone and he’s been riding on the corpse of that past success for too long.

We analyse the past to try to get some handle on the inexplicable present. Even with his prior record, how can he still be a manager at a big club like Arsenal? It's so perplexing. Which brings us to another aspect of this man. His rank dishonesty. He's been at the heart of fleecing the fans and has strived to give the absolute bare minimum back. That's the primary reason I hate the bloke now. Yes, he's been shown up s a fraud in terms of his competency, but far worse, he's been shown up to be a self serving liar. He never loved the club, because the fans are part of the club. Something he tolerates with a sneer while lifting their wallets.

[Özim]

I’d turn that around and say how many managers would have come to Arsenal built the team in the way he did and enjoyed the success he did between say 1996 and 2004.

Not a great manager tactically but the fact remained is he took players that weren’t making it at other clubs and improved them, and in the process broke all kinds of records.

Fair point, my point was mainly about his management ability, which IMO isn't that great, yes he achieved great success and we played amazing football, but as NQ alluded to it's circumstances, that's not to say he doesn't deserve credit as he achieved what he did, but for me it just shows we shouldn't have kept him on and given him a free ride for anywhere near as long as he has had it and he certainly shouldn't have been rated as highly as he was, it's taken over a decade to change that sentiment for a lot of people.

Lack of ambition from the club IMO, most other top clubs would have chopped him and got someone else in to move us forward and try and win us the CL, the CL was the holy grail for Ferguson and eventually he won it by sheer desire and making the right changes, Wenger has never done that, he was content with what he had.

[Özim]

He has no business pointing the finger at missed chances when we can't keep a clean sheet! If he wants to talk about performances, he should talk about his own and the defenders.

Totally agree, what we've seen over the years is players talking a good game and then completely bottling it, more of the same here, but I don't like the way he points the finger when his performances have been so abject and he's cost us far more points than Lacazette.

[HCZ]

We analyse the past to try to get some handle on the inexplicable present. Even with his prior record, how can he still be a manager at a big club like Arsenal? It's so perplexing. Which brings us to another aspect of this man. His rank dishonesty. He's been at the heart of fleecing the fans and has strived to give the absolute bare minimum back. That's the primary reason I hate the bloke now. Yes, he's been shown up s a fraud in terms of his competency, but far worse, he's been shown up to be a self serving liar. He never loved the club, because the fans are part of the club. Something he tolerates with a sneer while lifting their wallets.

End of the day you have a board that more or less knew nothing about football, a manager who wasn’t asking for much apart from a nice salary which in the great schemes of the clubs expenditure isn’t asking for a lot and said manager was able to deliver on modest expectations ie keep the club in the champions league whilst it remained self sufficient whilst paying off the stadium

The problem with that was, that was the goal in of itself and the can kept getting kicked down the line after it was rightly asked. Well what now

And that lack of forward planning means a manager who is totally out of date was kept on and that procrastinating and not taking the right decision when it was needed is really showing.

Even the decision to award Wenger his new contract was complacency, well we won’t have to think about this for another year or so and he will probably get us back into the top four anyway.

So in that sense what he achieved in terms of titles doesn’t really have that much bearing on why he’s kept in the job. As for fans still backing him, they are constantly polling satisfaction rates with managers and Wenger is consistently the lowest in the top six. The ones who argue blacks white about keeping him are people who just won’t ever admit they are wrong and will never change their minds about something

[Power n Glory]

We analyse the past to try to get some handle on the inexplicable present. Even with his prior record, how can he still be a manager at a big club like Arsenal? It's so perplexing. Which brings us to another aspect of this man. His rank dishonesty. He's been at the heart of fleecing the fans and has strived to give the absolute bare minimum back. That's the primary reason I hate the bloke now. Yes, he's been shown up s a fraud in terms of his competency, but far worse, he's been shown up to be a self serving liar. He never loved the club, because the fans are part of the club. Something he tolerates with a sneer while lifting their wallets.

That's what I've come to realise over the years. It all started with the debates we had over ownership. We were somehow convinced that this club was doing it the right way with this self sustaining model not realising that it's us fans forking the bill whilst Wenger and his cronies rake in the pay rises and bonuses. It would have been easier to swallow if we weren't constantly losing out favourite players and at challenging for titles. We'd be able to see where the money is being spent, but instead we get fed bullshit excuse after bullshit excuse.

This con job wouldn't work without Wenger. He's been ambiguous with his comments about money and spending for a reason. It enables the snake to sliver out of any situation.

[Chippy]

No. This is why I don't post in this section much. People like you just reply to what you think I've posted, not what I've actually posted.
I quite clearly said that it would have been an undeserved equaliser.
BUT...a professional footballer should be able to finish better than that.

Undeserved equaliser ! You would have called me a Spud years ago for saying that!
Most of you did actually

[Niall_Quinn]

Undeserved equaliser ! You would have called me a Spud years ago for saying that!
Most of you did actually

Spud.