Where has Wenger gone wrong?

[selassie]

Why?

He's not a stupid man in terms of intelligence. So either he's had a mental breakdown (as I have suggested) or he's deliberately put his own interests over those of the club, something he said he would never do. I don't think you can feel sympathy for such a selfish individual. You can pity him, despise him, hold him in contempt, but have sympathy for a guy who must surely have known the risks and took them anyway so the needs of the one could take precedence over the needs of the many?

If he's had a breakdown then it's Kroenke that deserves our contempt for allowing a sick man to continue in this position and be battered from all sides. Well, Kroenke deserves our contempt anyway so nothing new there.

But I won't be joining in the Wenger love-in that will inevitably occur when he leaves. That bridge was burned the minute he signed the last contract. Blown up in fact given the way he bypassed his own (alleged) boss and ran to Stan. And how can you have sympathy for a man who is so arrogant he simply refuses to listen to the tidal wave of opinion that is pointing out the obvious?

Like any dictator, he craves power and he's done whatever it took to hold onto it. I don't respect that and I don't sympathise with it and no matter what the guy has done in the past he won't be forgiven for what he's done in the present - not by me anyway. Which I know will come as a severe blow to him because he respects me just as much as I respect him, in fact he "respects" all the fans in the same way. He's blamed us enough times for his failings after all.

Sure NQ, I hear you. I mean don't get me wrong I still think he is a defiant, deluded, selfish, arrogant and stubborn man, of course he is a dictator, but I also think he's kidding himself if he feels he is doing a good job and that everybody is over-reacting, that is the gist of what he was saying the other day in his press conference. I feel sorry for him if he truly believes this. His only defence these days is what he did 10 years ago and what clubs he turned down 10 years ago, nobody really cares anymore....that was then, this is now.

If he clings onto his job this summer then he is a fool. He is destroying the club right before our eyes and I don't think I am over-reacting in saying this. He was 100% responsible for the half empty stadium last night, he is 100% responsible for the team and the mess it is currently in and has been in for a couple of years. He is 100% responsible for years of underachievement, poor recruitment etc.

I don't respect him at all, that respect went a long time ago. I respect what he did over 10 years ago...but not now.

FFIW, I do actually think he's just putting his interests over those of the club, I have thought that for a while now, especially after last summer and his grovelling act to Kroenke.

[IBK]

Why?

He's not a stupid man in terms of intelligence. So either he's had a mental breakdown (as I have suggested) or he's deliberately put his own interests over those of the club, something he said he would never do. I don't think you can feel sympathy for such a selfish individual. You can pity him, despise him, hold him in contempt, but have sympathy for a guy who must surely have known the risks and took them anyway so the needs of the one could take precedence over the needs of the many?

If he's had a breakdown then it's Kroenke that deserves our contempt for allowing a sick man to continue in this position and be battered from all sides. Well, Kroenke deserves our contempt anyway so nothing new there.

But I won't be joining in the Wenger love-in that will inevitably occur when he leaves. That bridge was burned the minute he signed the last contract. Blown up in fact given the way he bypassed his own (alleged) boss and ran to Stan. And how can you have sympathy for a man who is so arrogant he simply refuses to listen to the tidal wave of opinion that is pointing out the obvious?

Like any dictator, he craves power and he's done whatever it took to hold onto it. I don't respect that and I don't sympathise with it and no matter what the guy has done in the past he won't be forgiven for what he's done in the present - not by me anyway. Which I know will come as a severe blow to him because he respects me just as much as I respect him, in fact he "respects" all the fans in the same way. He's blamed us enough times for his failings after all.

Hmmm - I think the reality is that it will take a long time...but eventually he will be recognised for what he achieved - even if this is tempered by the fact that he will be held up as an object lesson in outstaying his welcome...a kind of footballing Robert Mugabe if you will.

:edit: although the only slaughtering AW has done (to the best of my knowledge) is to his football team.

[Niall_Quinn]

It’s worse than you think

I’m pretty sure there are blacks and Asians on here too

Scaremongering at it's finest.

[Niall_Quinn]

Sure NQ, I hear you. I mean don't get me wrong I still think he is a defiant, deluded, selfish, arrogant and stubborn man, of course he is a dictator, but I also think he's kidding himself if he feels he is doing a good job and that everybody is over-reacting, that is the gist of what he was saying the other day in his press conference. I feel sorry for him if he truly believes this. His only defence these days is what he did 10 years ago and what clubs he turned down 10 years ago, nobody really cares anymore....that was then, this is now.

If he clings onto his job this summer then he is a fool. He is destroying the club right before our eyes and I don't think I am over-reacting in saying this. He was 100% responsible for the half empty stadium last night, he is 100% responsible for the team and the mess it is currently in and has been in for a couple of years. He is 100% responsible for years of underachievement, poor recruitment etc.

I don't respect him at all, that respect went a long time ago. I respect what he did over 10 years ago...but not now.

FFIW, I do actually think he's just putting his interests over those of the club, I have thought that for a while now, especially after last summer and his grovelling act to Kroenke.

He probably didn't turn down any of those job offers anyway. He probably turned up to negotiate and after 6 months they just said, Oh forget it FFS! Fuck off!

[Power n Glory]

Why?

He's not a stupid man in terms of intelligence. So either he's had a mental breakdown (as I have suggested) or he's deliberately put his own interests over those of the club, something he said he would never do. I don't think you can feel sympathy for such a selfish individual. You can pity him, despise him, hold him in contempt, but have sympathy for a guy who must surely have known the risks and took them anyway so the needs of the one could take precedence over the needs of the many?

If he's had a breakdown then it's Kroenke that deserves our contempt for allowing a sick man to continue in this position and be battered from all sides. Well, Kroenke deserves our contempt anyway so nothing new there.

But I won't be joining in the Wenger love-in that will inevitably occur when he leaves. That bridge was burned the minute he signed the last contract. Blown up in fact given the way he bypassed his own (alleged) boss and ran to Stan. And how can you have sympathy for a man who is so arrogant he simply refuses to listen to the tidal wave of opinion that is pointing out the obvious?

Like any dictator, he craves power and he's done whatever it took to hold onto it. I don't respect that and I don't sympathise with it and no matter what the guy has done in the past he won't be forgiven for what he's done in the present - not by me anyway. Which I know will come as a severe blow to him because he respects me just as much as I respect him, in fact he "respects" all the fans in the same way. He's blamed us enough times for his failings after all.

Zero sympathy for Wenger. He'll dish it out when he wants so I don't really care what comes his way. A few difficult questions won't make me feel sorry for the guy. He's taking the aboslute piss and I don't care how he leaves.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

None of those big clubs have been anything close to the scrupulous, ethical, football is a sport first utopians ideals of a football club Wenger has always aligned himself with anyway.

I've often struggled to imagine what kind of club other than Arsenal he can currently operate in having the principles he has and having been in something of a bubble for over 20 years where things operate in a very particular way where he has a lot of control.

A bubble that's virtually in a time capsule!

In many ways he is more suited to a small to medium lower profile club than one of the biggest in the world. I would love to ask him about that.

[Globalgunner]

Does anyone have a guess how much Wenger has stashed away these days. Would it be enough to buy Kroenke out?. Imagine if Wenger could buy Arsenal, then he would be here for 50 years. Where is Flamini these days?. He has money, if those two were to team up. Perish the thought. A 90 year old manager and a 55 year old midfielder running our team. Im putting out an APB for Flamini, right now.

[Cripps]

Zim's French

That explains a lot.

[Cripps]

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[HCZ]

Pretty damning but fair assessment I’d say