Wenger's future, possible extension and possible... departure?

[Goonermerree]

The modern footballer. Zero loyalty. Zero respect. Half the talent. Rewards before achievements.

That's the easy life they'll be looking to protect. So if the time has come to throw Wenger under a bus so the gravy train can keep on rolling along, that's what they'll do. It's not a problem unique to Arsenal. Look at that cock Toure who popped up to justify a slice of his ridiculous contract. Wasn't he a slave not so long ago? The idiot Neymar? It's hard to spot the professional these days.

Aye, they know which side their next pay cheque is coming from.

[Goonermerree]

..the question is whether they are doing a Chelsea and playing to get the change that is both needed and inevitable. It almost seems that way!

At other clubs we have seen players accused of 'downing tools' to get the manager sacked. I don't think that this necessarily is the case at Arsenal, but it is not that much of a leap of faith to conclude that our players see a dead man walking and therefore are no longer playing for the manager.

Philiippe Auclair in the Arsecast last week made some interesting points about how players can play the system by looking like they are making runs etc and having healthy match stats, but in fact using runs to hide from the ball instead of making a difference to the game. This way they look good on paper for an incoming manager, while in reality letting a failing manager down. Could this be the reason why Wenger continues to 'big up' players that have given up on him?

I'm sure possible future managers of Arsenal can see exactly what they are playing like. Fans are still paying money to see this dross, maybe they shouldn't be, but if you're a season ticket holder, you've already paid, they owe the fans something, surely.

[Özim]

Wenger is an average manager, I've thought so since the mid 2000s to be honest when he was making basic errors and didn't seem to recognise his mistakes, his blind faith for players and rigid tactics were a problem back then. It was all fine and dandy when he had self motivated leaders on the pitch to do the work for him, the minute he sold those though you started to realise how inept he was.

I've always said he did have the rub of the green a number of times and also had unflappable support from the fans, the best type of fans for a manager but it could also be argued the worst kind of fans for a club, the type of fans who actually prioritised the manager over the good of the club.

Despite all that, the players are also responsible, the lack of motivation, lack of desire, not caring whether they win or lose and nonsense they come out with, I don't rate our squad highly at all, we do have a decent forward line, the rest is a waste of time however, but in the end Wenger brought them in so he's responsbile.

Truth be told I couldn't care less how he leaves as long as he does, to me he's had it good at this club, despite all his claims about having the world on a stick when it comes to job offers, he never left because they either didn't follow up or he knew he'd never find another job as comfy and easy as this, to me he doesn't really deserve this respectful send-off some claim he should get, his attitude has been awful and his achievements throughout his career with us bang average.

This day has been coming, it was more a question of when, I think it will take any manager a while to sort this mess out to be honest, it's like when Ferguson left Man U (though he left them in a much better place), replacing a man who's been at a club for 20+ years and has everything setup to revolve around him is very hard, the squad also needs some major surgery to be honest, not an impossible job but fans will need to be patient because this isn't some regular job at some normal club, hopefully we get the right man through the door like Spurs and Liverpool have, someone who can build every season to make this club more competitive because at the moment we're miles behind, in a much much worst state than I've ever seen this club.

Wenger has left us in a terrible state.

[KSE Comedy Club]

None of us want to see this shit show continue, the players have always dug Wenger out of a hole. Maybe they have decided enough is enough.

Why should they keep trying their best when that particular scenario plays out with Wenger looking ok and staying on at the club?

I really don't blame them anymore tbh

[Goonermerree]

None of us want to see this shit show continue, the players have always dug Wenger out of a hole. Maybe they have decided enough is enough.

Why should they keep trying their best when that particular scenario plays out with Wenger looking ok and staying on at the club?

I understand what you're saying, but I still think players have a job to do.

[Niall_Quinn]

Anyway, Wenger's still here this morning which means he has no pride, no shame and certainly no intention of releasing the club from his grip. And large sections of the fan base are fucking it up, again! With all this bullshit talk about respect.

So the guy won't leave, but he can't be sacked because that would be disrespectful. How bloody convenient. And what happens when we get to the end of this season and Wenger states he always sees out his contract? Even MORE respect required?

The pro-Wenger crowd, and make no mistake they are still there in force, are trying to created a desperate impasse where yes, of course, it is time for Wenger to leave but, alas, oh dear, there's no way for him to leave. So he stays. That way they can jump the bandwagon that is finally starting to roll in the media that has supported the Wenger shambles up to this point and try to steer it back to safety. Most of them probably don't realise they are doing this. But the prime movers and Wenger himself will get the picture. Even a hint of support for him now and we're condemned to another season of this shit, at least.

You have to ask these fans, if not now then when? Under what conditions would it be acceptable to sack Wenger? What if he burned down the stadium or murdered the team?

Well that's what he's doing in slow motion. So is it the pace of the devastation that you have a problem with? Do we have to wait another season for it to reach an acceptably fucked up and catastrophic state before we can all agree that maybe, just maybe, after 2 decades of the same bloke and over a decade of stagnation and decline it might, just might be respectful to the club itself to get a new man?

[Goonermerree]

Anyway, Wenger's still here this morning which means he has no pride, no shame and certainly no intention of releasing the club from his grip. And large sections of the fan base are fucking it up, again! With all this bullshit talk about respect.

So the guy won't leave, but he can't be sacked because that would be disrespectful. How bloody convenient. And what happens when we get to the end of this season and Wenger states he always sees out his contract? Even MORE respect required?

The pro-Wenger crowd, and make no mistake they are still there in force, are trying to created a desperate impasse where yes, of course, it is time for Wenger to leave but, alas, oh dear, there's no way for him to leave. So he stays. That way they can jump the bandwagon that is finally starting to roll in the media that has supported the Wenger shambles up to this point and try to steer it back to safety. Most of them probably don't realise they are doing this. But the prime movers and Wenger himself will get the picture. Even a hint of support for him now and we're condemned to another season of this shit, at least.

You have to ask these fans, if not now then when? Under what conditions would it be acceptable to sack Wenger? What if he burned down the stadium or murdered the team?

Well that's what he's doing in slow motion. So is it the pace of the devastation that you have a problem with? Do we have to wait another season for it to reach an acceptably fucked up and catastrophic state before we can all agree that maybe, just maybe, after 2 decades of the same bloke and over a decade of stagnation and decline it might, just might be respectful to the club itself to get a new man?

I must admit, I am very disappointed that he's still manager this morning, what does it take? Maybe he has to go if he doesn't beat Milan! The longer he is here, the harder it will be for a new manager and more difficult to get a decent manager, unless they pay out mega bucks for him.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Tbf to Wenger, its difficult for an Alzheimer's sufferer to remember he's lost the last four games, let alone how bad we have actually been this season.

[selassie]

It's funny because I don't think many fans would really care if some of these so called senior and longest serving players left anyway.

Aye, the likes of Wilshere, Ramsey, Bellerin & Welbeck who I assume are these long serving players are as much as part of the problem as Wenger.

Don't get me wrong, I think Wilshere, Ramsey & Bellerin would improve under a new manager who knows what they are doing, but each of these guys are replaceable if we have a new manager who knows what he is doing and is prepared to spend on the squad.

[GP]

Tbf to Wenger, its difficult for an Alzheimer's sufferer to remember he's lost the last four games, let alone how bad we have actually been this season.

In Wenger's mind it's 2004