Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[Niall_Quinn]

Which rather feeds into my understanding of why you are doing this

You give these people a rather mystical power to make havoc.

There is only one person responsible from here on in other than Wenger himself for him still being in a job and that is Enos Stanley Kroenke.

Everyone else is irrelevant

IF the fans and the media were all sitting on their hands there would be zero crisis at Arsenal and everything would be plodding on as usual. Season after season after season that has been the story. Even when the banners went up they were begging letters to the old git - oh please Mr Wenger, we love you and all, but please, have a think about fucking off! And those holding up the banners were hissed at and spat at and worse. Don't underestimate the power of modern communications to deliver sentiment. We're not helpless at all, we have only been acting that way. You give that board or those Wengerite assholes an inch and they'll spin it into another season or even a contract extension. The fans can't be sitting back and expecting the board to do the right thing. They need to be demanding they do it. And plenty have started to do that. Finally. So I hope nobody accepts your idea that nothing can be done because if they do, nothing will be done.

[Özim]

Watched a documentary about Thierry Henry, in that Adams pretty states that he felt it was his duty to let players know what it meant to play for Arsenal and what it took to win, he said he would let Henry and all the others know, if they weren't performing he would be in their ear, just reinforces the point about the invincibles not just being a Wenger team, they were moulded by those before them, the winners like Adams and the famous back 5/6 amongst others.

Young players learn from the experienced winners in the team and this happened until Wenger destroyed that and dismantled the team too quickly thus robbing the youngsters the opportunity to learn what it takes to win and what is expected by the club, had he kept the likes of Vieira, Henry etc longer instead of cashed in for peanuts things might have turned out differently, of course his philosophy of getting rid of the physical, athletic side of the team also had a big impact.

Anyway the point is Wenger as a manager was good when someone else did half of his job for him, when that stopped it all went wrong highlighting how limited he was.

[fakeyank]

As a stadium it's about a million times better than Highbury. It is soulless - partly because of the lack of history but that can only come about with time. Were the internet around a hundred years ago your great grandfather would probably be whining on it about Highbury and asking what was wrong with South London. The fact that we haven't had a title there is a factor, we haven't had a really successful side since we've been there, things like that create memories.
The fact is we had to do it. We've pondered for years whether Wenger could really compete these days, clearly he can't. I held out hope longer than most but whatever, we're on the same page about that now. But the next chap would be massively hindered in his attempts to do so were we still at Highbury. Every other top club has expanded, moved grounds or is looking to. The fact that we have a fanbase large enough to fill it is pretty much down to Wenger and the success and style of football in the early years. Our average home attendance in 1993/4 was around 30,000, and that year we finished 4th and won the CWC. It was only a few years after the last Graham title.


It's nowhere near good enough, given our resources. But you have to concede that those resources and the fanbase which generates them are in no small part down to Wenger.


It matters because it provides some historic context. We've always been a big club but not since the 1930s were we the best side in the country for a sustained period of time.
I'm not sure what you mean by "pitched up". We won the FA Cup in 1971, 1979 and 1993 before Wenger joined.
We've won it that many times in the previous 4 seasons and everyone is wailing and gnashing their teeth. But that's because our expectations have changed. That level of expectation comes in no small part from Wenger's early time with us. Before that we never had that expectation.
We've pretty much never been properly shite enough to get relegated - but we never had any expectations of a title challenge. Maybe a hope we would but those hopes were generally dashed pretty early in the season. And we were much more erratic. We nearly became "Invincibles" in 1991, two years later it was the height of boring boring Arsenal and while we did win both domestic cups that year our league form was such that at one point I genuinely believed we'd be dragged into a relegation scrap. Our last 27 league games our results were W6 D9 L12. We scored 40 goals in 42 league games. That season we clearly concentrated our efforts on the cups but these days that isn't acceptable, we expect to be competing on all fronts. We didn't expect that before Wenger.

I hope Wenger goes sooner rather than later. Every season - it's getting to the stage where it's every match - further damages his legacy and reputation. But I hope when he goes and the smoke clears people will remember the good times. My happiest memories of Arsenal are from his time with us, most people's are. Clough took Forest down in the end and I think he's still regarded as a Forest hero, all Wenger's done is failed to sustain the early success and is now not even able to maintain his record of keeping us in the top 4.

Like any manager he has strengths and weaknesses. Those strengths revolutionised us as a club and it revolutionised the game over here. It brought us a sack of trophies and a level and style of football I never thought I'd see Arsenal ascend to. Those weaknesses failed to make the most of one of the great squads in English club history - he never won the CL, he never retained a title. Other clubs have caught up and now surpassed us. But while top 4 shouldn't be the limit of our ambitions, keeping us in there, and the FA Cups, show Wenger hasn't got everything wrong. I just wish he'd gone at the end of last season, that was his last chance to be applauded out the door.

I despise Wenger as much as anyone down the block and will rant on social media that his legacy is completely fucked. But once the smoke clears, I'd like to think that I'll remember him fondly too.

On a side note, even George W Bush is remembered positively these days.

[HCZ]

IF the fans and the media were all sitting on their hands there would be zero crisis at Arsenal and everything would be plodding on as usual. Season after season after season that has been the story. Even when the banners went up they were begging letters to the old git - oh please Mr Wenger, we love you and all, but please, have a think about fucking off! And those holding up the banners were hissed at and spat at and worse. Don't underestimate the power of modern communications to deliver sentiment. We're not helpless at all, we have only been acting that way. You give that board or those Wengerite assholes an inch and they'll spin it into another season or even a contract extension. The fans can't be sitting back and expecting the board to do the right thing. They need to be demanding they do it. And plenty have started to do that. Finally. So I hope nobody accepts your idea that nothing can be done because if they do, nothing will be done.

And I hope no one comes up with your idea that the most positive way to do anything is to vent your spleen in front of a handful of people on a message board deconstructing Wengers Years of success.

Plus who are you convincing? You can’t even convince me and I already want Wenger gone.

I don’t want him given a nice send off, I want him gone yesterday so that we have people come in and can assesss which of the squad is salvageable and which is expendable in the next 11 games before the end of the season.

I don’t need to buy your narrative that Wenger has always been sub par to think this. So again tell me what you are doing apart from finding an outlet for your own sense of frustration.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Watched a documentary about Thierry Henry, in that Adams pretty states that he felt it was his duty to let players know what it meant to play for Arsenal and what it took to win, he said he would let Henry and all the others know, if they weren't performing he would be in their ear, just reinforces the point about the invincibles not just being a Wenger team, they were moulded by those before them, the winners like Adams and the famous back 5/6 amongst others.

Young players learn from the experienced winners in the team and this happened until Wenger destroyed that and dismantled the team too quickly thus robbing the youngsters the opportunity to learn what it takes to win and what is expected by the club, had he kept the likes of Vieira, Henry etc longer instead of cashed in for peanuts things might have turned out differently, of course his philosophy of getting rid of the physical, athletic side of the team also had a big impact.

Anyway the point is Wenger as a manager was good when someone else did half of his job for him, when that stopped it all went wrong highlighting how limited he was.

This is how I feel on the subject as well.

Wenger had the insight to bring the knowledge of good diet and excercise to the table and discover unknown talents, but the last 12 years have shown that he doesn't have it in his locker to sustain a top winning team.

[Niall_Quinn]

And I hope no one comes up with your idea that the most positive way to do anything is to vent your spleen in front of a handful of people on a message board deconstructing Wengers Years of success.

Plus who are you convincing? You can’t even convince me and I already want Wenger gone.

I don’t want him given a nice send off, I want him gone yesterday so that we have people come in and can assesss which of the squad is salvageable and which is expendable in the next 11 games before the end of the season.

I don’t need to buy your narrative that Wenger has always been sub par to think this. So again tell me what you are doing apart from finding an outlet for your own sense of frustration.

I'm communicating. On the Internet.

And why do you think I'm trying to convince you of something? I'm talking about the dickheads who are still Wenger drones. They know who they are.

[HCZ]

I'm communicating. On the Internet.

And why do you think I'm trying to convince you of something? I'm talking about the dickheads who are still Wenger drones. They know who they are.

Where are they here?

Because if they aren’t here you’re communicating with no one

[Niall_Quinn]

Where are they here?

Because if they aren’t here you’re communicating with no one

Really. That's how the Internet works is it?

[HCZ]

Really. That's how the Internet works is it?

Generally the spread of any form of information or communication is incumbent on your intended recipient reading it

[Niall_Quinn]

Generally the spread of any form of information or communication is incumbent on your intended recipient reading it

It's much better to let others tell them. Far more effective. People don't read these days anyway, they watch video. They watch people saying stuff in videos.