Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[Cripps]

Will you two get a room?

[HCZ]

It's much better to let others tell them. Far more effective. People don't read these days anyway, they watch video. They watch people saying stuff in videos.

Bit of a generalisation. I read plenty

Not everything you write which suggests maybe you’re using the wrong format

Or you are ranting

[HCZ]

Will you two get a room?

And who exactly is paying for that ?

[Power n Glory]

Fair enough, but Wenger is no Milli Vanilli.
Elvis didn't write his own songs and a lot of people still go nuts about him. His strength was as a singer and performer, not a composer. That doesn't diminish people's admiration of him.

But nobody claimed Elvis was a great song writer and neither did he. That's the difference. Wenger is getting the praise for everything and taking the credit whilst those that had a major influence are being written out.

[Goonermerree]

I despise Wenger as much as anyone down the block and will rant on social media that his legacy is completely fucked. But once the smoke clears, I'd like to think that I'll remember him fondly too.

On a side note, even George W Bush is remembered positively these days.

Because they're comparing him to Trump

[Globalgunner]

The Elephant in the room in that we are in relegation form. If not for the 40 or more points accrued on the back of Sanchez. where the tuck would we be right now. Again it points to the fact that Wenger only succeeds when others are doing the heavy lifting for him.
Has he always a shit manager. I certainly think so. Left to his own devices he will relegate us next season. Is there anyone who still doubts that.

[Niall_Quinn]

Bit of a generalisation. I read plenty

Not everything you write which suggests maybe you’re using the wrong format

Or you are ranting

Of course it's a generalisation. I'm not going to go through the phone book and say yes, he watches video, no, he's one of those book readers. That's why we have generalisations, saves time. Internet opinions are picked up from everywhere, a bit here, a bit there. And people (generally FFS) tend to seek out stuff that reinforces their opinion. And then this gets rolled in and passed on, from leaf to twig to branch to trunk to forest. GW's not as closed a shop as you might think.

[Niall_Quinn]

But nobody claimed Elvis was a great song writer and neither did he. That's the difference. Wenger is getting the praise for everything and taking the credit whilst those that had a major influence are being written out.

Just let him have his Wenger fantasies. He seems to need them.

[HCZ]

Wenger had taken over a club where which had enjoyed recent success but at the same time wasn’t in danger of challenging for top honours in the near future, we had under Rioch qualified for the UEFA cup on the last day of the season with the Bergkamp brace against Bolton and that was considered a big deal (I was still a kid but I do remember that game)

People that want to nullify anyone else’s impact are as guilty of rewriting history as those who consider Wenger a peripheral figure. We know that Marc Overmars and Manu Petit were bought practically by Danny Fiszman.

Of course we know that the success was a fusion of the experience and leadership of the old guard combined with Wenger bringing into the club players that people hadn’t even heard of or were not reaching their potential at the club we bought them from.

We know that the Wenger and Dein partnership was almost as pivotal to the club’s success as the partnership between Clough and Peter Taylor at Derby and Forest. We know that Pat Rice was kept on as asssistant manager because he was more likely to be a bawler than Wenger (you used to hear Rice shouting not aggressively but assertively at players in pre match warm ups when I used to go to Highbury)

But what happened slowly was that Dein left, Edelman left and Fiszman died and Wenger was allowed to build an unquestionable power base for himself in that vacuum. Because Wenger was only consulting with himself coaches were going more and more unheeded and there was no one with the authority to persuade him or make him listen.

That’s why Wenger became almost unsackable, who was going to do it? For all the power Ferguson had at United he still had to answer to those at the top, Wenger has had to answer to no one. And whilst the club was getting its beloved top four finishes no sense in questioning that (and sadly had we not fallen outside the top four last season this would still be the case)

Wenger is just a case of someone corrupted by his own sense of hype his arrogance in interviews Make it clear he is someone not used to being scrutinised or questioned and it rankles him and he calls it disrespectful. But I think it’s partly human nature, it’s easy to live in a bubble when people around you tell you how wonderful you are. Your ego becomes so inflated that anyone who bursts your bubble is a complete cunt.

Thatcher had arguably lost it years before she was finally shoved out, and in the months before her own MPs nobbled her she would come out with how she was going to fight the next general election and go on and on and on. Power makes you deaf to reason.

[HCZ]

The question is now....who gets to be Michael Heseltine?