Wenger's future, possible extension and possible... departure?

[Özim]

Will reply to the other laughable post later on as I've got to head off soon.



Tuchel won more points in his first season in charge (78) than Klopp did when he first won the BL (75) and only three less than Klopp in his second BL (81).

The only difference was that Bayern weren't as utterly dominant back during that period as they've have been over the last half decade. You're being incredibly hackish here by not factoring in how the scope of German domestic football has changed over the past few years after Bayern decided to get their shit in order after losing those back to back titles to Klopp.

What difference does that make, he came 2nd, Klopps achievement is superior because he won it, to compare it is pointless, it was a different situation with different teams and players.

The point is that Tuchel hasn't achieved anything, his record in the CL isn't that great, he then got knocked out in a pretty embarrassing way of the Europa leauge and Dortmund ended up 3rd in the league which considering their players and that they are the 2nd best team is poor as well.

The reality is he's totally unproven and his record is nothing special and that's my point, would prefer someone with some sort of record of success.

[Niall_Quinn]

All I know is if Wenger really is being replaced by Tuchel in the summer then forget about Tuchel. Honestly. Who the fuck cares who the new manager is? The real news here is Wenger is fucking off. The spell broken. The dictator toppled. The naked emperor finally laughed out of the place.

The next manager doesn't have to stay for 22 years!

The next manager is almost irrelevant. Getting Wenger out is the pay out, the win. After the damage he's done to the club from top to bottom there's nobody out there who can arrive and fix it all in one hit. But we can recover one important aspect of reality, we can become a normal club again in one respect. We'll be able to fire the manager if he fucks it up.

So what possible concerns could we have about Tuchel, compared to Wenger? Of course, get the bloke in. If he wins games then keep him. If he fucks up then fire him. A new concept at Arsenal, granted, but one we should embrace joyously. And that's just one aspect of reality that could be restored.

Personally I don't see it though. I think the old bastard will somehow find a way to hang on, even if it means doing the unthinkable for him and winning something in Europe.

[Özim]

All I know is if Wenger really is being replaced by Tuchel in the summer then forget about Tuchel. Honestly. Who the fuck cares who the new manager is? The real news here is Wenger is fucking off. The spell broken. The dictator toppled. The naked emperor finally laughed out of the place.

The next manager doesn't have to stay for 22 years!

The next manager is almost irrelevant. Getting Wenger out is the pay out, the win. After the damage he's done to the club from top to bottom there's nobody out there who can arrive and fix it all in one hit. But we can recover one important aspect of reality, we can become a normal club again in one respect. We'll be able to fire the manager if he fucks it up.

So what possible concerns could we have about Tuchel, compared to Wenger? Of course, get the bloke in. If he wins games then keep him. If he fucks up then fire him. A new concept at Arsenal, granted, but one we should embrace joyously. And that's just one aspect of reality that could be restored.

Personally I don't see it though. I think the old bastard will somehow find a way to hang on, even if it means doing the unthinkable for him and winning something in Europe.

Whilst I agree in principle, what also worries me is Arsenal have a history of holding onto managers and not sacking them, so if we got someone substandard, wouldn't surprise me for them to take about 6 years to get rid of him.

[Niall_Quinn]

Whilst I agree in principle, what also worries me is Arsenal have a history of holding onto managers and not sacking them, so if we got someone substandard, wouldn't surprise me for them to take about 6 years to get rid of him.

That has to change. If we're just looking for another Wenger then we're done anyway. It's the philosophy of the club that has to change, just as much as the manager has to be changed. The manager needs to serve the new philosophy, not the other way around as it has been for all these years.

Regardless, the new guy doesn't come in with that "look what he's done for the club" get out of jail free (a thousand times) card. Ridding ourselves of the cult of Wenger will automatically remove many problems.

[Özim]

That has to change. If we're just looking for another Wenger then we're done anyway. It's the philosophy of the club that has to change, just as much as the manager has to be changed. The manager needs to serve the new philosophy, not the other way around as it has been for all these years.

Regardless, the new guy doesn't come in with that "look what he's done for the club" get out of jail free (a thousand times) card. Ridding ourselves of the cult of Wenger will automatically remove many problems.

Totally agree, just not sure if the club do, ideally a manager comes in and has to prove he's good enough (he'll need a couple seasons at least go sort things out and put his own stamp after the mess that's been left), if he doesn't he should be sacked.

[Niall_Quinn]

Totally agree, just not sure if the club do, ideally a manager comes in and has to prove he's good enough (he'll need a couple seasons at least go sort things out and put his own stamp after the mess that's been left), if he doesn't he should be sacked.

Yep. A serious title challenge within 2 years or out and get the next guy. Football has changed. There's no advantage to a manager hanging on for years now because the players aren't being brought up at the club and seeing out their careers with one club. It's all a transfer merry-go-round and there's no loyalty anywhere. Just the way it is and Wenger trying to buck that reality (even if he's right about the state of football in principle) has given us a bunch of comfortable players that are happy with second best - disastrous for a competitive sports team. Having a manager with his own neck on the line will solve that problem.