Wenger Referendum: Yes Or No

[Xhaka Can’t]

How are you defining a rival or when it counts?

We lost narrowly away to a side in form. It happens. We only lost to their trademark late goal - they've done that with infuriating frequency recently but they won't keep doing it. They haven't lost at home since early November in the league and drawn with ManYoo and beaten Chelsea at home in that time. I can't say too much about our performance. People on here are notoriously negative when we lose - sometimes even when we win. I suspect the match reaction thread is full of pant wetting. A Spurs fan friend said he reckoned they just about deserved to win, he certainly didn't suggest it was a pasting.

In terms of 'when it counts', doesn't it a always count in a league? Until late April, early May there are no especially high pressure game, we lost yesterday but the position is recoverable - midweek Spurs go to Anfield, we're at home vs Leicester. And, as we have always finished top 4, we have always won those games at the end of a season 'when it counts', even if we have rather stumbled over the line at times. In terms of rivals, in the run of good results we've beaten Southampton at home and West Ham away (not traditional rivals, but sides who this year have been a threat to our top 4 position) and City away.

Overall I'm happy enough with what I've seen from us more recently. It's always disappointing to lose, especially at Spurs but I don't think they'll be above us come May if we keep playing like we have recently.

If you are following this Club, it is crystal clear how I am defining it. Whenever we are playing a rival in a match for something both teams need - whether it is the title or fourth you could make a fortune betting against us. We don't show up. Not a surprise because the Manager is never there doing anything. If the camera didn't focus on him, sitting there motionless, slouched in a sulk eminating his defeatist and listless demeanour to the team (which was every time he appeared on camera), you wouldn't, nor would the players notice he was even there.

There were nothing but the same robotic pre-ordained substitutions that paid no regard at all to what was happening, what was needed or who was playing well. We may as well have handed in the time and name of the players to be substituted with the team sheet, then Wenger could have stayed at home.

And make no mistake about it - we were pasted. In that game thread I posted and genuinely meant it when I said other than the scoreline, Tottenham will rarely have had an easier game (or words to that effect).

All games count to some degree, but the games against direct opponents that want what you want - who are you biggest threat - we can't beat them in direct competition.

Not because we aren't capable of beating them - we are. But we just do not have the mentality and fortitude to be counted when it most matters. Everyone can see that because it is that weakness that now defines our Club.

[Niall_Quinn]

If you are following this Club, it is crystal clear how I am defining it. Whenever we are playing a rival in a match for something both teams need - whether it is the title or fourth you could make a fortune betting against us. We don't show up. Not a surprise because the Manager is never there doing anything. If the camera didn't focus on him, sitting there motionless, slouched in a sulk eminating his defeatist and listless demeanour to the team (which was every time he appeared on camera), you wouldn't, nor would the players notice he was even there.

There were nothing but the same robotic pre-ordained substitutions that paid no regard at all to what was happening, what was needed or who was playing well. We may as well have handed in the time and name of the players to be substituted with the team sheet, then Wenger could have stayed at home.

And make no mistake about it - we were pasted. In that game thread I posted and genuinely meant it when I said other than the scoreline, Tottenham will rarely have had an easier game (or words to that effect).

All games count to some degree, but the games against direct opponents that want what you want - who are you biggest threat - we can't beat them in direct competition.

Not because we aren't capable of beating them - we are. But we just do not have the mentality and fortitude to be counted when it most matters. Everyone can see that because it is that weakness that now defines our Club.

Seconded!

Winning and losing yesterday was the difference between seeing a real change in attitude and application as opposed to here we go again, momentum hits a brick wall, nothing has changed at all. Just set out the record on the last few years against the top 6. It's appalling and easily grounds for sacking. No other manager would have survived it.

Even if that wasn't the case, it is not at all acceptable to face off in a derby and get rolled over without a fight. Which is what happened. Not just because we don't turn up for the big games (except once in a blue moon) but also because we don't like getting up early on Saturdays - not even for £100K per week or £8mill a year.

[Niall_Quinn]

People on here are notoriously negative when we lose - sometimes even when we win. I suspect the match reaction thread is full of pant wetting. A Spurs fan friend said he reckoned they just about deserved to win, he certainly didn't suggest it was a pasting.

Your friend is being generous. We were owned from start to finish. Everyone watching could see how badly we were getting pasted down the right and overrun in central midfield. Everyone bar Wenger of course.

Understand - it's not the fact we lost. It's the fact we didn't show up. Just like we didn't show up against Southampton when we needed the 3 points. Same against Utd when we flounced around the place like an animated, dressed lettuce. These are the key games people are speaking about, the ones that decide if we lie 3rd or 6th in the table, above or behind our closest rivals.

Then you think about the fact we DID turn up against the gypos. We know we CAN play well against the top teams, it's not like we don't have it in us. Think about it. That makes it even worse. Some piss taking going on here.

As for Wenger and his bat shit crazed team selections and his complete aversion to consistency and momentum, well that's just Wenger. I think everyone is beyond caring about that now and just accepts it as part and parcel of being a Gooner.

[Maestro]

If you are following this Club, it is crystal clear how I am defining it. Whenever we are playing a rival in a match for something both teams need - whether it is the title or fourth you could make a fortune betting against us. We don't show up. Not a surprise because the Manager is never there doing anything. If the camera didn't focus on him, sitting there motionless, slouched in a sulk eminating his defeatist and listless demeanour to the team (which was every time he appeared on camera), you wouldn't, nor would the players notice he was even there.

There were nothing but the same robotic pre-ordained substitutions that paid no regard at all to what was happening, what was needed or who was playing well. We may as well have handed in the time and name of the players to be substituted with the team sheet, then Wenger could have stayed at home.

And make no mistake about it - we were pasted. In that game thread I posted and genuinely meant it when I said other than the scoreline, Tottenham will rarely have had an easier game (or words to that effect).

All games count to some degree, but the games against direct opponents that want what you want - who are you biggest threat - we can't beat them in direct competition.

Not because we aren't capable of beating them - we are. But we just do not have the mentality and fortitude to be counted when it most matters. Everyone can see that because it is that weakness that now defines our Club.

No other way to put it, great posting.

[Zerlathon]

At present, I'm really not sure how to go.

As things stand, some of Wenger's decisions have left me lost for words, however at the same time we have to really wonder who would replace him.

When things were at their worst, I (as well as many others) was singing Klopp's praises saying that he would be the best person to replace Wenger. Some months on, and he is at the helm of the biggest disaster in European football that I have ever seen.

We really have to be careful on what we wish for.

[AFC Leveller]

At present, I'm really not sure how to go.

As things stand, some of Wenger's decisions have left me lost for words, however at the same time we have to really wonder who would replace him.

When things were at their worst, I (as well as many others) was singing Klopp's praises saying that he would be the best person to replace Wenger. Some months on, and he is at the helm of the biggest disaster in European football that I have ever seen.

We really have to be careful on what we wish for.

I agree with that. Klopp and martinez were touted as the next Arsenal managers but look how far they've gone down? Everton could be in a dog fight and as you saym Dortmund are (or were) last in their league.

[Niall_Quinn]

Also Owen Coyle, where is he now?

[Maestro]

Diego Simeone
A pragmatic, cynical and talented barstad who hates losing. There I said it, he's my flavour of the month ..year etc

[Globalgunner]

We all know that only Wenger can manage Arsenal to any successful degree anyone else is doomed to fail. When he kicks the bucket inevitably, the club will fold.

[Letters]

We all know that only Wenger can manage Arsenal to any successful degree anyone else is doomed to fail. When he kicks the bucket inevitably, the club will fold.

Why bother posting that? Literally no-one has said that.