Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
at the bit in bold.
Last year we were comfortable in the top 4, the two years before that it did come down to the last day but both times it was in our hands. We did rather blunder over the line both times but we weren't relying on anyone else. The only time I can remember us being lucky to finish in the top 4 was lasagnagate but that was ages ago.
There are often fine lines in football. Saturday we should have gone 3 nil up when Ozil put Sanchez though, but he missed and then right at the end we nearly threw away 2 points. In the Cup final last year we cleared the ball off the line at 2-0 down, had it gone to 3-0 I doubt we'd have won.
Overall you end up where you deserve to. We have the 4th biggest resources, it's not massively unreasonable to think that 4th is about par for us.
Shame prices and Managers' wages don't reflect that....Oh well it's nice to catch up
Last year we were comfortable in the top 4, the two years before that it did come down to the last day but both times it was in our hands. We did rather blunder over the line both times but we weren't relying on anyone else. The only time I can remember us being lucky to finish in the top 4 was lasagnagate but that was ages ago.
There are often fine lines in football. Saturday we should have gone 3 nil up when Ozil put Sanchez though, but he missed and then right at the end we nearly threw away 2 points. In the Cup final last year we cleared the ball off the line at 2-0 down, had it gone to 3-0 I doubt we'd have won.
Overall you end up where you deserve to. We have the 4th biggest resources, it's not massively unreasonable to think that 4th is about par for us.
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You look at us in terms of resources. I look at us in terms of that ALONG with our ticket prices, managers salary and overall continuity over other clubs. When you look at all these parameters, we should be challenging consistently and not just making excuses of 4th place or regular CL qualification.
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
Nobody needs to employ revisionist bullshit to reduce either past performances or achievements down to being flukes. We didn't fluke a final appearance, you can't fluke a league position and none of our trophies were flukes.
Even lasagna gate wasn't a fluke. There are 38 games in a season and Tottenham fucking up is a regular occurrence, hardly a fluke.
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At least the 4th place trophy is still on now that spuds and pool are out of Europe.
But I don't buy the 4th biggest resources argument anymore. We have enough money to buy the quality of players needed to challenge. Athletico won la liga last season on a fraction of what Barca and Real have spent.
Wenger is holding the club back, no question.
I think we do now, but those new financial deals which allow us to do that have only been in place a couple of years. Even now we can't go mental and spent £100m in a summer like City or Chelsea could. IMO we should be closer to those two, but it's not a disgrace to finish below them.
As for the money side of things, yes we do have enough to get players in to make a challenge. But even then it is difficult. We've spunked a club record on Ozil - this is an expensive mistake. Chelsea, City and to a degree - United can take a hit like that, brush it off and spunk another truckload of cash.
We aren't in that position which is why we need a better quality of manager to launch a challenge.
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