Match Autopsy v Liverpool (away).

[Özim]

Shocker of a performance today, defence is an absolute disgrace to be honest, I'd get rid of the lot and start again, they're just not good enough, the way we score and then concede a minute or two later is embarrassing. We played a quality side today and whilst we've got away with mistakes like this earlier on in the season against inferior sides, against top sides you don't.

As for the decisions, we gave away two penalties which even if they were harsh we shouldn't have given away (Sokratis was poor today) and Xhaka should have been red carded in which case it could have been even worse.

Emery has inherited an average squad and has a lot of work to do, he's done the best with what he's got but in truth he really needs some money to rebuild this team, though I doubt he'll get any.

Fact is though, you can't work with players that just aren't good enough and we have quite a few of those, he needs better players.

Emery has done as well as he could, he's has made mistakes as well but overall he's done a decent job, there's the odd decision in there like making Ramsey captain today (what was that about), but in truth he wasn't given enough money in the summer and was left with a terrible defence and midfield which he couldn't fix in on transfer window with only 60-70 million to spend.

Make no mistakes this is all down to the fact we allowed this club to go down the pan by indulging a guy who didn't have a clue for years.

[Globalgunner]

Shocker of a performance today, defence is an absolute disgrace to be honest, I'd get rid of the lot and start again, they're just not good enough, the way we score and then concede a minute or two later is embarrassing. We played a quality side today and whilst we've got away with mistakes like this earlier on in the season against inferior sides, against top sides you don't.

As for the decisions, we gave away two penalties which even if they were harsh we shouldn't have given away (Sokratis was poor today) and Xhaka should have been red carded in which case it could have been even worse.

Emery has inherited an average squad and has a lot of work to do, he's done the best with what he's got but in truth he really needs some money to rebuild this team, though I doubt he'll get any.

Fact is though, you can't work with players that just aren't good enough and we have quite a few of those, he needs better players.

Emery has done as well as he could, he's has made mistakes as well but overall he's done a decent job, there's the odd decision in there like making Ramsey captain today (what was that about), but in truth he wasn't given enough money in the summer and was left with a terrible defence and midfield which he couldn't fix in on transfer window with only 60-70 million to spend.

Make no mistakes this is all down to the fact we allowed this club to go down the pan by indulging a guy who didn't have a clue for years.

I agree with most of what you say except the question of how bad our players are. Correct me if I am wrong, but who else has Pool tanked 5-1 this season. Mustafi and co are not excellent but these are players who could do a good job at Palace, Cardiff, Everton etc and not fall into a discombobulated shambles anytime they are under pressure. Our players remind me of the cartoon characters who when they hear fire run helter skelter, hands in the air until they bump into each other and knock each other out. We simply fall to pieces anytime a dangerous player runs into our box. It has been so since 2006 thereabouts. Its as if Boro Primorac and co never left. I swear if our players were pilots they would run out of the cockpit at the first sign of an alarm and ask the passengers for help.

When will we develop an equanimity as a team even under pressure. Not one where our defenders belt the ball in panic against each other or straight to opposition players. I rarely see other teams in any league panic collectively the way we do. If its something that has been left behind by Wengers non ability to train defence, then its like a virus that affects new players if they come in singles. No matter what Emery may be telling them to do, they revert to Wenger type as soon as something bad happens. I see only 2 solutions, get rid of Mustafi, Kos, Monreal because they are mentally and physically lost as a cause. Get a whole new defence not tainted with our last 5 years of training, either that or get a consultant like George Graham in behind the scenes, quietly so as not to embarrass the new coach. Get them drilled, get their minds right. 6 months should have been enough for Emery to change these players but it seems all he has done has passed straight through them with no tangible effect. Secondly, the midfield is where defence begins. Xhaka is pure walking excrement, as bad as I have ever seen. As bad as Denilson who would jog when opposition players are running at our box. He offers no protection to his team, the introduction of Torrierra has made him worse it seems. When pressure comes he simply is not there.

Emery also has to take a lot of blame, some things you can see and wonder if a pro coach cant see them. Laca and Auba are toothless without each other. Why split them up?. What did Ramsey offer yesterday that Laca would not have given and more. The man is losing me with each game, i'm afraid.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Yesterday even our better players were poor. Torreira was horrific for the first two goals and Sokratis was indifferent.

Don't think we can dismiss how bad we were with simply stating this is still a Wenger team. Only 2 Wenger guys were in that back 5 by the end and this team is now organised by another manager.

We need serious investment but that was evident from the summer to me......hence why I wanted us to sign a top draw goalkeeper and CB.

[Letters]

Make no mistakes this is all down to the fact we allowed this club to go down the pan by indulging a guy who didn't have a clue for years.

So, just to be clear. Getting 38 points from 20 games is a manager “doing the best he could”
But getting 37 points from 20 games (last season) was a manager who didn’t have a clue.

[Globalgunner]

So, just to be clear. Getting 38 points from 20 games is a manager “doing the best he could”
But getting 37 points from 20 games (last season) was a manager who didn’t have a clue.

You just cant help yourself can you Letters. Wenger is/was pure gash. No comparison with any entity, living or dead can make him look good. We are in the here and now. Emery may not be the solution, however Wenger never was. An anchor on his own club for more than a decade.

[SMatthews]

So, just to be clear. Getting 38 points from 20 games is a manager “doing the best he could”
But getting 37 points from 20 games (last season) was a manager who didn’t have a clue.

Wenger wasn’t useless or an idiot. But the key difference is he built the team that ultimately dropped out of the top four, while Emery is trying to rebuild using many of the dodgy tools left behind.

[selassie]

Shocker of a performance today, defence is an absolute disgrace to be honest, I'd get rid of the lot and start again, they're just not good enough, the way we score and then concede a minute or two later is embarrassing. We played a quality side today and whilst we've got away with mistakes like this earlier on in the season against inferior sides, against top sides you don't.

As for the decisions, we gave away two penalties which even if they were harsh we shouldn't have given away (Sokratis was poor today) and Xhaka should have been red carded in which case it could have been even worse.

Emery has inherited an average squad and has a lot of work to do, he's done the best with what he's got but in truth he really needs some money to rebuild this team, though I doubt he'll get any.

Fact is though, you can't work with players that just aren't good enough and we have quite a few of those, he needs better players.

Emery has done as well as he could, he's has made mistakes as well but overall he's done a decent job, there's the odd decision in there like making Ramsey captain today (what was that about), but in truth he wasn't given enough money in the summer and was left with a terrible defence and midfield which he couldn't fix in on transfer window with only 60-70 million to spend.

Make no mistakes this is all down to the fact we allowed this club to go down the pan by indulging a guy who didn't have a clue for years.

Totally agree, the damage was done quite some time ago, mainly via a horrific transfer policy. Yes we have made the odd decent signing, but we have made a lot of dud signings of which some of them have cost a fair bit of money. Not only have our purchases been bad, our sales have been bad too. Continually allowing first team players to run down their contracts added to the fact we have handed out big contracts and wages to players who simply are not good enough for a team challenging for a CL spot.

Emery has done quite well up until recently, the cracks were always there but we rode our luck a fair bit.

Ill be honest, I’m worried about how we are going to sort out this mess of a squad we have, I’m worried we don’t have the funds to improve the team sufficiently. If we don’t have the funds then Emery is going to need to develop some of our Youth and integrate them into the team. I don’t think a transfer policy of bringing in waning over 30’s is the way to go!

[Letters]

Wenger wasn’t useless or an idiot. But the key difference is he built the team that ultimately dropped out of the top four, while Emery is trying to rebuild using many of the dodgy tools left behind.

No argument there, just amused at the way Zim and others have such polarised opinions.
No ability to think with any subtlety.

I’m not sure what to make of our squad. We are generally scoring enough but our defence is nowhere near good enough. I don’t think the whole squad needs rebuilding and I was hoping that with the defence the issue was largely coaching but there does seem to be a real lack of quality there, certainly in depth. Work to be done but while we are miles away from a title winning squad I don’t think we are more than a few key signings away from a top 4 spot and we can push on from there. We really need to sort out the captain situation. We really haven’t had a decent captain since Vieira. Wasn’t Ramsey captain yesterday and he’s leaving.

Emery gets a free pass this season but what he does in the summer and how we do next year will tell us more about what he is made of.

[Marc Overmars]

If Emery isn't given the money he will have next to no chance of achieving anything meaningful here. The competition is too strong.

You only have to look at Pochettino and Spurs to see how far good coaching will go. The fact they're as strong as they are is down to him, lets just thank our lucky stars they're lumbered with the stadium and can't spend money.

Get your wallet out Kroenke you stingy cunt.

[Mac76]

Surely Kronke can do the maths and see if Emery doesn't improve the squad in January we'll end up 6th at best and won't get near winning the Europa lge either, we should get what we can for Ramsey now and maybe shift Ozil (though only because of his wages and that Emery doesn't seem to get on with him, plus i'm assuming we're stuck with Mhki for now) We need at least one decent CB and a good winger too