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I would luv it, if he became PM
Make 2mrw better than 2day
Isn’t it time for a second referendum?
Though I actually think the vote would still be very close.
May will win the VONC.
Tories won't vote against themselves.
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They won't, because they'd rather have May than Corbyn. But they are a minority government so they'll need some help. The DUP have said they'll support them though, at the moment they have an unusual amount of leverage, any general election would likely yield a result where they would lose that. So yes, May should survive this.
As for a second referendum. Honestly, even as a Remainer I'm sick of all this and don't have much appetite for that. The case for one though is if there's evidence that enough people, in the light of the last 2 years of chaos, have changed their minds such that a new vote would give a different result. The problem with all this is how close it was. The original referendum result in 1972 was 67% in favour, 33% against. A nice clear result which doesn't give much recourse for complaints from the losing side. Before this referendum Farage said a 52/48 result to Remain would be "unfinished business", now it's "you lost, get over it".
In brief:
The whole thing is a complete mess.
Corbyn is unlikely to win a general election, most of the polls have him behind the tories (which is some achievement given how shit they are) and the latest who'd make the best PM poll has Corbyn in third place behind May & Don't Know.
Given the result of a general election, would only be a minority government with the winning party having to rely on other parties to vote through any deal, it doesn't change anything. The SNP & Lib Dems both want to remain so if Corbyn tables any deal that involves any form of leaving the EU, i can't see them backing it and obviously the tories are unlikely to back it either. End result is stalemate.
A second referendum is probably the only way to sort this mess out but then again, what question do you ask? You simply cannot split the leave vote while providing one option for remain. For example, the ballot paper cannot have Remain, No Deal or May Deal as the options. This could lead to remain winning with 40% but 60% voting for brexit but losing only because majority wins. You could have two ballot papers, first is remain or leave and the second is no deal or may deal. Should remain win, no need to count the second ballot but if leave wins, then you count the second ballot and go with that result.
However, all those MPs last night saying that voting down Mays deal shows that no deal is not option fail to realise that on March 29th, we leave with no deal. That is the default legal position that they voted for when triggering Article 50. While May's deal isn't perfect, it is better then no deal which they all seemed to vote for last night!
A new referendum should have 2 options. May's deal vs. remain.
No deal should not be on the ballot under any circumstances.
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That's not good.
The only way I can see a second referendum working is ask the same question as before. Now people know what Brexit is likely to look like we might get a different answer.
We definitely can't have a 3 way Referendum "Stay, May's Deal, No Deal" - that would be a disaster, you'd be unlikely to get more than 50% voting for any of the 3 options and then what do you do?
The issue with all this is the original question was basically "Do you want to stay living here or move house?"
Some people like where they're living and want to stay, some people don't like it and want to move.
But an obvious follow up question is "where do you want to move to?". At the time of the original referendum there was no suggestion what that would look like.
Some people said if we moved we'd end up in a hole in the ground, other people claimed we'd be moving to a mansion. The reality is no-one really knew and we still don't really.