Match Reaction QPR 1-2 Arsenal

[fakeyank]

Wenger has his flaws but so will the next guy, he's hardly the incompetent you make out.

He is incompetent as a football manager with the resources he has. With the continuity he has enjoyed, he should have done much better. I do agree that he will leave the club in a good position if he leaves at the end of this season. But there is no guarantee that will be the case if he keeps being stubborn and continues signing contract renewal after contract renewal.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Our record in 2015 has been title winning NQ. All it needs is a consistent application across an entire season and we should be capable of putting in a credible title challenge next year.

As for bad performances, even the invincible team ground out 2 - 1's and 2 - 0's when needed. It wasn't always champagne swash buckling football from them. Besides, we've had moments of sublime football now like the 5 - 0 against Villa.

Also, whilst you may be correct in pointing out that the top clubs may not be as good as they once were, I do actually thing the rest of the league is a lot better and have caught up; consequentially (and I know it's a cliche) they aren't any easy games any more. And tbh, I prefer it this way instead of a league like Spain where it's basically a two horse race (too early to say if Athletico will last) and a matter of how many goals Barca and Madrid score against everyone else.

By the way any news on Chesney? Why was he dropped yesterday? Did Wenger think he was the one responsible for that white powder through his mailbox, when it was actually Zimm?

I'm not sure if I prefer it this way but you are definitely correct in my opinion. The general level is better even if we are a shadow of former sides.

[Power n Glory]

I think literally no one said we would 'take off' but we won the FA Cup and got the most points since 2008, any manager who did that would deserve a chance to build on it. This season has been a bit of a cock up but despite such a shaky start we're still 3rd and we're in the FA Cup quarter finals. Monday will tell us something about whether this team have learnt anything from the last few years. It has the capacity to be one of these games where we either don't turn up or do that thing we often do at Old Trafford where we outplay them but get beaten. I can take us losing up there so long as we turn up and get beaten by a good performance.

I think we pretty much all agree that we need to move on from Wenger but when he does leave he'll leave us in great shape. We'll have a good squad, and be in an excellent financial position. Wenger doesn't get the big bucks to 'do nothing', he is far more than just a football coach, he's involved with all aspects of the club. Arguably too involved but you can't compare his salary to other football coaches who don't have those responsibilities. We should have done better this season but we're only 4 points off money cheats City. Wenger has his flaws but so will the next guy, he's hardly the incompetent you make out.

I'm growing more irritated by these sort of posts and the highlighted points as the years pass. Wenger's management of the club is frustrating but this sort of post drives me up the wall. Every year you set some sort of litmus test as if there will be a pinnacle point where 'all will become clear' after certain period or match. Monday's game won't tell us shit. We could easily beat Utd and lose to a lesser team in the next round or final. Are you that damn slow that you need one more game or example to see if this team has learnt anything? Jeez! As if you haven't had numerous examples, this season, last or any season since being at the Emirates.

That quote you used from Fakeyank has nothing to do with Wenger being incompetent or even mentions his salary. It's about posters like yourself that keep saying 'jam tomorrow' and kicking the can further down the road. Monday's game won't make a difference. We did a job on City and then fucked up against Spurs and Monaco. This team will always be inconsistent under Wenger and no single performance can prove he has his mojo back. That time has gone and I'm beyond the point of trying to measure where this team is at. Someone said something similar after the City game some weeks back. Something about the City game being great but the Spurs test will really show where we are as a team. So what did the Spurs game show? How did we not turn up for that game?

[Letters]

Monday's game is exactly the sort of game which people on here bemoan (with some justification) that we 'never' win. So I do see a win in this one would be significant.
Every team is inconsistent sometimes, that's not a valid criticism of any manager or team.
FY mentions his salary in every post via his signature and clearly regards him as incompetent which is balls - you don't finish top 4 every year with an incompetent manager, how many other managers have managed that with any consistency?

We need to move on from Wenger to get out of the endless Groundhog Day, but there seems to be a feeling that Wenger is such an incompetent buffoon that the next manager will clearly be better and we'll be sweeping all before us when he leaves. I think that's far too simplistic, while the money cheats around we'll always face an uphill battle to win the title and the next bloke will have other flaws. Some of the names bandied round to replace Wenger have not done well consistently. And if we do better after Wenger goes then it will be in no small part because of the squad and financial shape Wenger leaves us in. A bit of credit where it's due and respect for that wouldn't go amiss.

[Power n Glory]

Come one, Letters! Stop repeating the same stuff about money bag teams and Wenger being incompetent and try to grasp what I'm saying. You're shifting the conversation to trivial shit that's irrelevant to this conversation. You took a quote from FY that didn't even mention anything about Wenger's salary or his successor and just ran off on a tangent.

It's very difficult to gauge anything from a victory on Monday because we can buckle in the next round with another one of those none performances. Just a few weeks back, some fans thought the penny had finally dropped after the City win only to see that undone with poor performances against Spurs and Monaco. It's the same way we thought more money or the FA Cup win would somehow kick us into gear for this season. I don't think there will ever be that one defining moment where we'll be able to gauge anything from one match. I don't get why after all these years, some fans keep saying next season or next game.

[Niall_Quinn]

Monaco was the straw balanced on the camel balanced on the straw. Wenger said the team wasn't mentally prepared. There you go. The debate is over.

It could be a new manager comes in and fucks up. If that happened then we'd need a new, new manager. Or this could be done in other ways so everyone can maintain face. Bring in a team coach and leave Wenger as the club manager if the board can't stomach getting rid of him right now. Wenger can keep on doing his finance things, the coach can get on with business on the pitch.

But you can't just keep saying soon, soon, soon without ever acting.

[Letters]

I don't think there will ever be that one defining moment where we'll be able to gauge anything from one match. I don't get why after all these years, some fans keep saying next season or next game.

I think that's fair enough but City was the first time in ages we'd won a big away game like that, to do so in a cup quarter final would be significant IMO.
We could still balls it up of course but these are the sorts of games we have messed up with depressing consistency in the last 5 years or so.

[selassie]

I'm growing more irritated by these sort of posts and the highlighted points as the years pass. Wenger's management of the club is frustrating but this sort of post drives me up the wall. Every year you set some sort of litmus test as if there will be a pinnacle point where 'all will become clear' after certain period or match. Monday's game won't tell us shit. We could easily beat Utd and lose to a lesser team in the next round or final. Are you that damn slow that you need one more game or example to see if this team has learnt anything? Jeez! As if you haven't had numerous examples, this season, last or any season since being at the Emirates.

That quote you used from Fakeyank has nothing to do with Wenger being incompetent or even mentions his salary. It's about posters like yourself that keep saying 'jam tomorrow' and kicking the can further down the road. Monday's game won't make a difference. We did a job on City and then fucked up against Spurs and Monaco. This team will always be inconsistent under Wenger and no single performance can prove he has his mojo back. That time has gone and I'm beyond the point of trying to measure where this team is at. Someone said something similar after the City game some weeks back. Something about the City game being great but the Spurs test will really show where we are as a team. So what did the Spurs game show? How did we not turn up for that game?

[Power n Glory]

I think that's fair enough but City was the first time in ages we'd won a big away game like that, to do so in a cup quarter final would be significant IMO.
We could still balls it up of course but these are the sorts of games we have messed up with depressing consistency in the last 5 years or so.

You say 'fair enough' to that but go on to talk about the City game and upcoming Cup game as if they'll be 'significant' in some sort of way if we win. It's just shifting goal posts. We've beaten Bayern and Dortmund recently. We've beaten Barca some years back and I remember hearing a similar train of thought each time. From the fans and team. "Well, if we can beat ........., it proves we can one of Europes best' or whatever bollocks people want to attach to that one moment. Why is it significant?

[selassie]

Monday's game is exactly the sort of game which people on here bemoan (with some justification) that we 'never' win. So I do see a win in this one would be significant.
Every team is inconsistent sometimes, that's not a valid criticism of any manager or team.
FY mentions his salary in every post via his signature and clearly regards him as incompetent which is balls - you don't finish top 4 every year with an incompetent manager, how many other managers have managed that with any consistency?

We need to move on from Wenger to get out of the endless Groundhog Day, but there seems to be a feeling that Wenger is such an incompetent buffoon that the next manager will clearly be better and we'll be sweeping all before us when he leaves. I think that's far too simplistic, while the money cheats around we'll always face an uphill battle to win the title and the next bloke will have other flaws. Some of the names bandied round to replace Wenger have not done well consistently. And if we do better after Wenger goes then it will be in no small part because of the squad and financial shape Wenger leaves us in. A bit of credit where it's due and respect for that wouldn't go amiss.

Well I am of the opinion that we will only go so far with Wenger in charge and I think we are pretty much at that level now. Wenger for me is far too rigid in every area of his management style to move this team forward.

IMO Our lack of progress has nothing to do with lack of money and the moneybags clubs ahead of us. It's all to do with Wenger and his flawed methods in regards to building the squad and his flawed tactical approach to the big games.

He may not be incompetent I'll give you that, but he certainly isn't a progressive pragmatic manager with the right ideas to move this team forward.

When we replace him we should be aiming for a top class manager with a proven record on delivering, we should identify where wenger is going wrong and I think we all know where and we should be looking at bringing in a manager who has a track record of delivering success and getting the very best out of players. We have a fairly decent squad now, we need someone who can come in, organise them and take them to the next level, I accept we need investment in areas but we are not a million miles away, not with a top level manager in charge. Wenger is not that man, that much is clear.