Wenger Referendum II - And this time it's personal

[selassie]

It's a reasonable target over 10 seasons though and we should be aiming for and expect to win both the title and the CL. That should be the MINIMUM expectation at all times and it's entirely reasonable for a club with Arsenal's resources to effectively challenge for both. From the board through the manager the players and the fans, total victory across the spectrum is the goal at all times. Every loss is a failure and there are no excuses ever.

Above is a winning mentality.

"I don't think it's reasonable...", "I'd settle for...", "We can't expect to...", "Finishing 2nd would be an achievement...", "Better the devil you know...", these are all the loser's mentality. The moment you preface a challenge with any of these qualifiers you have lost.

You asked the question, I'm giving you an Olympic champion's, world heavyweight champion's, world cup winner's response. For people who get paid an obscene fortune every week to do what they love there are two ways to go, take those gifts and give back every ounce of effort in achieving all that can be achieved or be complacent and take without giving back.

In sport you can fail. Most do. But if you fail without expecting to succeed then your mentality is shit. If you fail having given every last drop of effort then that's an acceptable platform on which to try again. That's progress. Anything else is unacceptable. This isn't a charity or a hobby or a part time job, it's the pinnacle of professional sport. So I'll stick with requiring the title or the CL because I ASSUME the manager thinks the same way and will act accordingly. If that's not the case then of course he shouldn't be the manager.

[Niall_Quinn]

The question was stay or go. Not sacked. I'm totally against him being sacked under any circumstances short of changing the kit to blue and white. I'd hope any transition was handled quietly behind the scenes with Wenger coming to some agreement on targets and performance and a voluntary departure date should those targets not be met. Trouble is, ask this board for a target and they'll tell you 5% per annum on the share value - OR ELSE! Another trouble is, ask the board anything and they'll tell you to ask Wenger. But I think he'll know when the time is right. Hopefully it will be on a high and not a low.

[selassie]

Well...what do you think now then?

I've added a 3rd option, are there conditions for the end of this season which you'd set in order for you to be happy for him to stay on?

I want him gone regardless. The damage was done in the summer, if he would have recruited properly we would be properly challenging for the title IMO.

[Bumble]

I think 3rd and FA Cup is a good return. Especially if we are around 6 points from top. I know people think we should be winning the CL but since 2000 the winners have been United, Barca, Milan, Inter, Real, Chavs, Bayern, Liverpool and Porto. Bayern, United, Liverpool, Real, Milan and Barca are all bigger clubs with a larger European pedigree. The year we should have won it though we screwed up against Chelsea, Porto won it and Mourinho laughed all the way to the bank and the chavs.

I know we complain when we lose that its points thrown away but all teams do it really. Both Chelsea and City would complain about throwing points away this weekend. So no teams go the season without losing..... oh no wait... nearly no teams

I do think its a big step for us to win the league, I still don't think we know how to chase a game as I cant recall us winning this season after going behind. And sometimes you do concede first and still need to pick up the points.

[Dein-machine]

If you look at the Barca situation, they are still competing at the top of their league & the C.L. with a manager who has he doubters. But with the players they have, the teams they regularly play I would suggest that Nigel Pearson would be getting similar results if he was their manager. How much more can you teach the likes of Messi etc. Put quality players into a system where they have quality replacements & you get continuity.
We regularly win the 4th place trophy because we have continuity through our manager & the way he tries to play but again could Nigel Pearson be getting similar results with our squad & spending power.
If we actually want to challenge we need the continuity that we have to be broken & this can only be with a new manager.
There is not a job in the world where you are better at 65 than when you were 50. We need a younger guy in who has learnt his trade during the period that billionaires have ruined our game. Having money ofcourse is a major benefit but you can only have 11 players on the pitch. A manager that will pay for transfer fees ( within reason ) without arguing over a few million quid when he thinks we need that type of player is essential. Wenger seems to never want to give in to anyone & we have missed out on a lot of players because of his penny pinching. Ozil & Sanchez are quality players but we have badly neglected key areas in defence, DM & prolific striker for too many years now - even when we have had the money.

[Letters]

There is not a job in the world where you are better at 65 than when you were 50.

Shopping mall Santa?

[sibreen]

Second place (or third) and another big signing, please.
FA cup would be nice, but it's more random--and so less of a performance indicator--than league position, I think.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

I'd only want him to go if a Klopp, Simeone or Pep became available.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

There's no option on there that I can tick
Should be an option for

- It's completely academic because Wenger will be here until 2017 (and probably beyond that) whatever I think.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Before Christmas the idea of him being here till the end of the season let alone two more after that was too much to bare, but he's kind of done what he always does and that's steer the ship just enough away from the cliff that we don't run aground. The seemingly unforgivable defeat to Monaco was made up for by winning at Old Trafford in the cup, and the truly shocking performances (win, lose or draw) have largely improved.
Ultimately can't help but shake the feeling that under Wenger we are the South African cricket team of European football