That's fine, we don't agree. I checked with Boris and it's still allowed.Originally Posted by selassie
That's fine, we don't agree. I checked with Boris and it's still allowed.
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I personally think that's exactly what we should be doing in this terrible time. We're a club owned by a billionaire, it's a drop in the ocean for him and morally it's the right thing to do, Gunnersaurus is a victim of circumstances and after 27 years of service he deserves better, the decision is made all the more ridiculous when we go out and spend 45 million not long after getting rid of him.
No excuse for me, it's a nasty thing to do by a club who care about one thing and one thing only, that's not the right way to run a company IMO, you can make money without stamping on the little man inthe process, this club has shown it's true colours with the redundancies and it's actions, everything is about money and it's no surprise we're failures on the pitch.
I'm not sure there's anyone we should admire, Arteta got a job at a big club (no other big club would have touched him let's be honest), earning big money, he'd have been crazy to turn it down so it's wasn't a hard decision.
As for the others, that's what they're paid for, paid handsomely for without having done much in many cases, it's not like it was 20-30 years ago where people played for the love of game, it's a different time when money talks.
There's nothing to admire in modern football IMO.
Last edited by Özim; 13-10-2020 at 07:55 PM.
A Zim post I pretty much entirely agree with.
It’s the end times.
Last season's home shirt was pretty good
True, tbf
Gunnersaurus was made redundant, not sacked, there is a difference. Are you privy to the redundancy pay out he got? I am certainly not and it's why I have not joined in with the "Arsenal are so mean getting rid of people like this", moreover, they have released him temporarily until the COVID situation is sorted out...
https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/11/paul-...urus-13403985/
The decision isn't ridiculous and why you and others are comparing us temporarily relieving the club mascot against signing a new player is beyond me. What do you suggest we do? Not invest in the team? Would you be happy with that if it meant we kept on certain staff paying them wages to sit at home? I don't even understand why they are linked...it makes no sense.
The point I was making about Arteta is admiring the work he has done so far given the difficult circumstances that have surrounded him taking on his first ever managerial job, money again has nothing to do with it. It's the personal circumstances and decisions he has made that I admire.
I don't admire the financial side of football at all so I get where you are coming from with that, but I also don't admire the financial side of many things these days so I term it as a problem with society, capitalism, everything has a price.
You could certainly make the argument that it makes business sense to stop paying certain staff - including Gunnersaurus - while for no fault of the club or the staff they can’t do their jobs right now.
So as a purely business decision it does make sense. But the furlough scheme is still open. Isn’t that an option? And why weren’t the playing staff furloughed? They weren’t able to do their jobs for months either. And is it really a choice between keeping those staff and strengthening the team?
How much could Gunnersaurus have been on? The optics of making Gunnersaurus redundant on the same day they activated Partey’s £45m release clause aren’t good.
It just feeds into the increasing disillusionment people have with football and clubs.
My point about Gunnersaurus is based around the fact that certain posters on here and people in the media are jumping up and down about a redundancy, temporary one at that without knowing the true facts at hand. Does anybody know what kind of financial severance package Gunnersaurus was given? I certainly don't and without these facts I think it's ignorant to jump up and down and point fingers.
The reason I have said the above is because a few of my friends were made redundant through COVID 19 but were given financial severance packages that equated to almost 2 years salaries with the maximum allowed tax free lump sum. I am not saying Arsenal did this with Gunnersaurus, but we just don't know, it's ignorant to start spouting without the details. The redundancy severance package he was given may well have been way above any furlough payment he would receive if he was kept on!
Not only that, but most of the articles relating to Arsenal temporarily relieving him of his duties, have been reported as that he was Sacked! He wasn't sacked! How ignorant can some people be, read the articles from the Athletic or the Guardian and it clearly states the situation in detail regarding relieving him of his duties. Arsenal have even said that it's a temporary measure and he will be back when things get back to normal...whatever normal will be in the future.
Also furlough scheme is not really an option for players at premier league clubs due to their high wages, see article below;
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/can-...h13l9hy1zmbk6n
I think the optics of making Gunnersaurus redundant on the same day as activating Partey's release clause for the reasons i've given above are not linked and are irrelevant given nobody knows what kind of severance package Gunnersaurs was given. Gunnersaurus may actually be finanically better off now! So all this talk of disillusionment may be a waste of time given we do not know the financials behind the redundancies!
I also think Mesut Ozil's pathetic cheap shot at the club via Instagram regarding offering to pay Gunnersaurus's wages exposed Mesut for the complete tosser he is. This is a man who refused to take a paycut when all the other members of the team did, most of the other team members are on a quarter or less than what he earns. Not only that, but he happily picked up his 8million bonus in the midst of sitting at home doing sweet FA. Yet people still fell hook line and sinker for it, Ozil is a thief, a conman, he is the one we should be disillusioned with!
In the end it's not about Gunnersaurus, is it? It's about a football club that's pretty grimy and has lost touch with the fans so, as you say yourself, it can submerge itself in the wider financial sewer for the benefit of the few. I can't say that applies to every club, I don't know. I suspect it does. All I can do it remark on how grubby Arsenal Football Club is. In general. On ALL matters.
This is supposed to be sport. Our escape from all that other shit. Naive, maybe, but it doesn't clean any hands.
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