Match Reaction v Borussia Dortmund

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I'd feel sorry for him but he gets way too much money for that.

You don't know how much money he gets

[Ollie the Optimist]

If we beat Dortmund at home and play well in the process then I'll agree and say we got a pragmatic point today. But if we play the same way I'll just conclude we are now a very, very average team. We're so boring to watch it's hard to reconcile it with what we used to see. It's like a period of shock, some of us will take longer to come out of it I suppose.

at the moment, how we play is irrevant as long as we get good results, a win today would have been amazing but a draw is a dam fine result too. over next few games, we just need to win, or at least draw (depends who we playing, if we have chavs etc coming up, a draw would be fine) and just get the team winning again, with that confidence will come back. wenger is right when he says, confidence goes quickly and comes back slowly. winning ugly is just what we need to do right now, get the results right, performances will follow. win first, improve second

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Agree with that. The difference with him though is he puts in a great effort, his heart is there but the poor lad has no clue how to defend. He wouldn't get a sniff in any other PL team, other than maybe those newly promoted. Kos will cost us lots of points this season but he'll put in 101% effort. It's quite sad in a way.

Spot on, But whilst he's an Arsenal player ill support him unlike others. We all know he is 3rd choice anyway so he can't cost us points if he is on the bench.

Its obvious TV 5 will be 1st choice. that a new CB partnership that will have to build. But when he comes back im sure we will here how shite merts is by some on here.

Give kos a chance id say

[Olivier's xmas twist]

at the moment, how we play is irrevant as long as we get good results, a win today would have been amazing but a draw is a dam fine result too. over next few games, we just need to win, or at least draw (depends who we playing, if we have chavs etc coming up, a draw would be fine) and just get the team winning again, with that confidence will come back. wenger is right when he says, confidence goes quickly and comes back slowly. winning ugly is just what we need to do right now, get the results right, performances will follow. win first, improve second

Nah its not allowed on here if they don't play like Utd City or Barca then we have problems, feck giving the team time to gel. forget us rebuilding.

[Niall_Quinn]

at the moment, how we play is irrevant as long as we get good results, a win today would have been amazing but a draw is a dam fine result too. over next few games, we just need to win, or at least draw (depends who we playing, if we have chavs etc coming up, a draw would be fine) and just get the team winning again, with that confidence will come back. wenger is right when he says, confidence goes quickly and comes back slowly. winning ugly is just what we need to do right now, get the results right, performances will follow. win first, improve second

This thinking applies to good teams who have lost form. During those periods, exactly, get the results even if the performance is bad. But good teams find their form again. My fear is we are just a bad team, actually it's not a fear it's an observation based on the evidence. I agree, we did well today, about the best we could hope for with this team. Maybe it will be the season high point.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Nah its not allowed on here if they don't play like Utd City or Barca then we have problems, feck giving the team time to gel. forget us rebuilding.

if we were playing like barca right now, gw would be having a meltdown. they been fucking up leads

[Ollie the Optimist]

This thinking applies to good teams who have lost form. During those periods, exactly, get the results even if the performance is bad. But good teams find their form again. My fear is we are just a bad team, actually it's not a fear it's an observation based on the evidence. I agree, we did well today, about the best we could hope for with this team. Maybe it will be the season high point.

true to an extent, but we are not a bad team imo. if you look at our strongest team, its actually very strong imo. get jack back, get tv5 back, and we have a strong first team, strong bench and a strong youth. we will come good again, give this team time to settle in next few games, get them winning and i think they will do something

[Niall_Quinn]

Spot on, But whilst he's an Arsenal player ill support him unlike others. We all know he is 3rd choice anyway so he can't cost us points if he is on the bench.

Its obvious TV 5 will be 1st choice. that a new CB partnership that will have to build. But when he comes back im sure we will here how shite merts is by some on here.

Give kos a chance id say

TV is not really the first choice if he can never get on the pitch and Kos isn't really a 3rd choice if he's always starting. Fact is we should have bought another CB in the window. But Wenger has made the same mistakes as he;s made in the past, we didn't buy anyone, Kos is here so yes, let;s hope he can play above his level and do a job for us.

[Niall_Quinn]

true to an extent, but we are not a bad team imo. if you look at our strongest team, its actually very strong imo. get jack back, get tv5 back, and we have a strong first team, strong bench and a strong youth. we will come good again, give this team time to settle in next few games, get them winning and i think they will do something

I don't think the manager will allow us to come good again. It's not just the quality of our players, which has dropped across the board, it's Wenger's crazy ideas that have been disproved over and over without any sign of him taking notice.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I don't think the manager will allow us to come good again. It's not just the quality of our players, which has dropped across the board, it's Wenger's crazy ideas that have been disproved over and over without any sign of him taking notice.

i think he is, in last two games, it seems to me that we have been set up better defensively, transfer window, signed two experience prem players and one international. changed his policy on height with merts.

i will agree with you at end of october i there is no improvement in terms of results and performance, but if there is, (and i believe there will be) this team will know how to win both pretty and ugly and will come good