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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    8 points a season Xhaka...the average amount of points he costs us (guessing). Without him we would have qualified for the CL five seasons running now
    Tbf he’s been far less of a risk in that more advanced left-8 role than he was as the guy at the base of midfield. And if you stuck an inverted fullback like Zinchenko behind him I think he’d be even less of a worry.

    But even if we remove all risk from his game completely there’s still clearly an upgrade to be had there. If we brought a Tielemans or a Paqueta in, for example, what would the expectation level be in terms of goals and assists? Probably 5-10 of each. What does Xhaka usually give us? Maybe 1-2 of each? Not good enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I am invisible View Post
    Tbf he’s been far less of a risk in that more advanced left-8 role than he was as the guy at the base of midfield. And if you stuck an inverted fullback like Zinchenko behind him I think he’d be even less of a worry.

    But even if we remove all risk from his game completely there’s still clearly an upgrade to be had there, imo. If we brought a Tielemans or a Paqueta in, for example, what would the expectation level be in terms of goals and assists? Probably 5-10 of each. What does Xhaka usually give us? Maybe 1-2 of each? Not good enough.
    I can't stand Xhaka.

    We just need to upgrade on him and move him on.

    He isn't good enough, and all the hype he gets is when the competition around him is weaker

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club View Post
    I can't stand Xhaka.

    We just need to upgrade on him and move him on.

    He isn't good enough, and all the hype he gets is when the competition around him is weaker
    I don’t actually think he’s a terrible player

    And I say this despite 100% agreeing with you that a) he’s not good enough for us and b) we desperately need an upgrade on him

    I think he is exceptional at picking out players with long passes, but needs time and space which you just don’t get in the premier league. He’d actually do ok for a mid table side in the Bundesliga or a top six Series A side

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club View Post
    I can't stand Xhaka.

    We just need to upgrade on him and move him on.

    He isn't good enough, and all the hype he gets is when the competition around him is weaker

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    The problem with moving Xhaka further forward is that he offers absolutely fuck all in an attacking sense. In fact, he's seriously detrimental to it with his complete inability to move the ball quickly and decisively. He slows everything down to fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandela8 View Post
    The problem with moving Xhaka further forward is that he offers absolutely fuck all in an attacking sense. In fact, he's seriously detrimental to it with his complete inability to move the ball quickly and decisively. He slows everything down to fuck.
    Yep, better to try and shift him.

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    Definitely need a WR too.

    Unless Vieira is earmarked for a wider role. I think we were still in for Raphinha after we signed Vieira though, so that kinda hints that a WR is still required. Need more goals/creativity from those areas.

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