Qatar Shitshow 2022 thread

[Globalgunner]

Except putting aside all your usual bullshit it is manifestly not a capable host

The tournament has had to be moved from its usual time slot in summer, there are also clear indications that it won’t be able to handle the amount of people coming into the country in terms of infrastructure or accommodation.

To put it bluntly it will be a shit show. And it seems like FIFA not only corrupt but lacks the balls to admit they’ve fucked things up and the tournament is not fit for purpose

Since you can see the future so well, might as well make a few bob and predict the winner while you are at it. Might change your life

i dont defend Arab human rights records, they were the first Slavers of Africans before Europe jumped in. Qatar is like most Arab states, they treat foreign workers like crap. They sieze your passport as soon as you get there and essentially you are now at the mercy of your employer. I work in Oil and gas and would never go there.

What I am calling out is the hubris of Europeans who think they are the arbiters of human decency. You are not and never will be. Your human rights records are abhorrent and you never wish to atone for it. the Qataris are amongst the highest investors in UK real estate, why dont you start sanctioning them.

People die on projects, it is terrible and should not happen. People died digging the London tube lines and building the bridges of New York. Are you going to boycott those too?

Your hubris is galling

[HCZ_Reborn]

Since you can see the future so well, might as well make a few bob and predict the winner while you are at it. Might change your life

i dont defend Arab human rights records, they were the first Slavers of Africans before Europe jumped in. Qatar is like most Arab states, they treat foreign workers like crap. They sieze your passport as soon as you get there and essentially you are now at the mercy of your employer. I work in Oil and gas and would never go there.

What I am calling out is the hubris of Europeans who think they are the arbiters of human decency. You are not and never will be. Your human rights records are abhorrent and you never wish to atone for it. the Qataris are amongst the highest investors in UK real estate, why dont you start sanctioning them.

People die on projects, it is terrible and should not happen. People died digging the London tube lines and building the bridges of New York. Are you going to boycott those too?

Your hubris is galling

Your muppetry is hilarious

The infrastructure you speak about in the west being built on dead workforce was built long before I was born and has been renovated and upgraded more times since then than the planks of the ship of Theseus.

To try and draw a moral equivalence between 19th working practices and what went on in a backwater gulf country that was awarded the tournament as a result of massive corruption is hilarious. And it shows the depth of logic you work from

But addressing your specious arguments head on for one second, these 6,500 dead workers didn’t die from work related injuries like the people who built the railways and skyscrapers did…they died from heat exhaustion, heart attacks and in some cases malnutrition.

As for your assertion about western hypocrisy because we have taken the blood soaked Qatari money, I haven’t said anything that would remotely be seen in disagreement with that. Whilst we continue to tolerate these countries for short term economic gain we really are no better than them.

[Globalgunner]

The Gulf backwater that you speak of owns the Shard and many other of your prize monuments. There is no statute of limitation to human crimes, thats your own wishful thinking. Those you have injured by your national supremacy do not forget.

You havent been to the ME thats why you think its a backwater, Most of their cites are far more modern than any in UK. Modern, yes but a soulless façade. Modern beyond your comprehension and not full of hungry buskers and beggars outside tube stations as I see in London.

You dont give a toss about the Filpinos, and other Asians that have lost their lives building these stadia. You are just pissed that they didnt award it to a "civilised" country that you approve of. Well suck it up. Your FA and Villa loving Prince also tried to bribe FIFA but were outdone. Offering Burberry bags while others were dangling bags of cash. Too bad, again "Its not coming home". Besides show me a civilised country anywhere in NATO.

If any of these workers washed up on your Blighty shores you would likely send them back with a holed dinghy. Human rights is just a convenient cudgel to bash Qatar on the head for the effrontery of beating good ol Engurland to the hosting.

The same conditions as Qatar exist for workers in UAE, Saudi and Kuwait. You dont remember them because there is no WC happening there but the workers suffer just the same, not mostly from work related injuries but from pure frustration leading in many cases to suicide from non payment of salaries and terrible living conditions. Yet your leaders go cap in hand begging same leaders for oil and gas cos well you decided to pick a fight with your other reliable supplier.

Winter is coming, snow already on the ground in some parts of Ukraine. Ukraine refugees are coming over by the millions whether you like it or not. Freezing cold and zero heat and electricity. Coming over to share in your great human empathy. Hope you have plenty of space for them in front of your hearth. Some of them might even want to watch the WC on your TV

[Xhaka Can’t]

[Mac76]

Just took a first look at the fixtures - the group stages are an almost total washout even if i wanted to watch, apart from Wales v Ingerland and Germany v Spain there's nothing - how the fuck did most of those teams even qualify or did they all pay FIFA off too??

[The Wengerbabies]

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/qatar...diums-12750052

Booze ban.

Alah Nobar

[HCZ_Reborn]

The Gulf backwater that you speak of owns the Shard and many other of your prize monuments. There is no statute of limitation to human crimes, thats your own wishful thinking. Those you have injured by your national supremacy do not forget.

You havent been to the ME thats why you think its a backwater, Most of their cites are far more modern than any in UK. Modern, yes but a soulless façade. Modern beyond your comprehension and not full of hungry buskers and beggars outside tube stations as I see in London.

You dont give a toss about the Filpinos, and other Asians that have lost their lives building these stadia. You are just pissed that they didnt award it to a "civilised" country that you approve of. Well suck it up. Your FA and Villa loving Prince also tried to bribe FIFA but were outdone. Offering Burberry bags while others were dangling bags of cash. Too bad, again "Its not coming home". Besides show me a civilised country anywhere in NATO.

If any of these workers washed up on your Blighty shores you would likely send them back with a holed dinghy. Human rights is just a convenient cudgel to bash Qatar on the head for the effrontery of beating good ol Engurland to the hosting.

The same conditions as Qatar exist for workers in UAE, Saudi and Kuwait. You dont remember them because there is no WC happening there but the workers suffer just the same, not mostly from work related injuries but from pure frustration leading in many cases to suicide from non payment of salaries and terrible living conditions. Yet your leaders go cap in hand begging same leaders for oil and gas cos well you decided to pick a fight with your other reliable supplier.

Winter is coming, snow already on the ground in some parts of Ukraine. Ukraine refugees are coming over by the millions whether you like it or not. Freezing cold and zero heat and electricity. Coming over to share in your great human empathy. Hope you have plenty of space for them in front of your hearth. Some of them might even want to watch the WC on your TV

I like this post, instead of asking me what I think you dedicate a lot of paragraphs telling me what I think

Undoubtedly easier to debate a straw man…so I’ll leave you to it

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63687412

Basically making the same argument GG does above. But as HCZ has noted, it's a bullshit argument.
It's like saying "why are you criticising me for cheating on my wife, your great grandfather cheated his". . I mean, what the hell has that got to do with anything.
Pretty much no-one is failing to acknowledge our past misdemeanours. But we're talking about the here and now.

[Niall_Quinn]

The gap between your belief in your abilities to discern things and your actual ability continues to amuse.
Mr Dunning, meet Mr Kruger
Enjoy your virtue signalling. Y'know, the thing you hate unless it's you doing it apparently

You are the one who asked what difference it would make if you boosted the viewing figures. And I think it was a genuine question. The very idea of a moral stance is incomprehensible to you. So, of course, you try to lay your banal immorality at my doorstep. Because that's who you are. And it takes very little to discern that very basic reality.

Mr Christian. (And I'm supposed to be the virtue signaller?)

[Marc Overmars]

Benzema ruled out of the tournament now.