Yeah I think we need to move on to be honest. Don’t want another Luiz situation, that was embarrassingOriginally Posted by Marc Overmars
Brighton have told Caicedo he won’t be leaving and to not come back for training until after the window closes.
I 100% don’t blame Brighton for this stance. Imagine a club like Barca trying to destabilise Saka because they’ve run into injury problems…we’d be fucked off
Like HCZ said I personally think we should move on. Brighton are the last club we should be pissing off, we have bought two good players off them recently and they have a bundle of talent still there excluding Caicedo that I am sure we are interested in if they become available.Brighton have told Caicedo he won’t be leaving and to not come back for training until after the window closes.
I always felt with a deal like Caicedo it happens in the Summer and Brighton will milk whatever club wants him. I don't see us paying up to 80 million or whatever it is they want for him now if they do sanction the sale. If anything I wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea are waiting in the wings to offer the 80 or 90 million they want for him on deadline day next week.
These negotiations seem quite similar to Mudryk, we want the player, he wants us (we have basically tapped him up) or Chelsea (they have most likely tapped him up too)....but we aren't prepared to meet the asking price.
Last edited by selassie; 29-01-2023 at 10:05 AM.
I think the asking price is less of an issue than the fact that they don’t want to lose a player mid season without cover
Brighton have been trying to sign Amadou Haidara from RB Leipzig who equally don’t want to sell a player in mid season. This is the problem, selling players usually is only sanctionable if the alternative is you’re going to get far less cash in the summer because you’ve then got to sign someone to replace them within the same short period of time
The potential transfer of Caicedo whether it’s to us or Chelsea, is reliant on probably at least two other transfers happening
Yeah I agree but I do think the asking price plays a big part, if we were to slap down 90 million (we won't), then i think Brighton would accept it, they would be mad not too considering they have a player who is now desperate to leave.
I hear you on the Haidara link and Brighton not being able to secure him from Leipzig for the same reason that Brighton don't want to sell Caicedo, but i think money does talk here. Brighton are in no way guaranteed this kind of money for Caicedo in the summer, there are quite a few Midfielders seemingly available in the Summer (Rice & Zubimendi being the prime examples) and I don't think Caicedo is the best of the bunch, he is just the most obtainable now albeit at a vastly inflated fee.
Last edited by selassie; 29-01-2023 at 10:28 AM.
How much we can pay depends how much we think the PL title is worth and whether we're realistically in the hunt for anyone else (I'm hoping we'll see a surprise Vieira-style signing)
Lokonga is clearly not a usable option and with Elneny out, we need cover for Partey - we've just had a big scare which brings the issue into even greater focus
The only other option without a buy is to play someone out of position or drop Xhaka back into DM but please god no...
How much we can pay depends how much we think the PL title is worth and whether we're realistically in the hunt for anyone else (I'm hoping we'll see a surprise Vieira-style signing
Lokonga is clearly not a usable option and with Elneny out, we need cover for Partey - we've just had a big scare which brings the issue into even greater focus
The only other option without a buy is to play someone out of position or drop Xhaka back into DM but please god no...Now it seems almost everyone has turnaround and accepted that how well we make use of this window will determine to an extent if we can stay the course and win the league. In short, our fate is clearly in our hands.
This position has always been the position that worried me and we should have started earlier without waiting for all the scares and so on.
We've faced Citeh and the consensus was we only lost the game because of the dropoff in quality in the centre in the 2nd half. The same consensus most of us reached in the Man U game we lost earlier. These small margins do matter in a league as competitive as the EPL.
If the club have recognized they need Caicedo, let them go all out for him.
However IMO I don't know why we are not seriously considering Tielemans who would be considerably cheaper, has far more experience and has the better range of passing and shooting. I am not equivocally saying he is the better option but he does look more attainable.
Maybe because Tielemans is not a DCM and that’s what we are after. If we signed Tielemans it would be as an upgrade on Xhaka…which i am totally and unequivocally in support of but he would not be sufficient cover for Partey because he cannot break up attacks the way Partey can
This position has always been the position that worried me and we should have started earlier without waiting for all the scares and so on.
We've faced Citeh and the consensus was we only lost the game because of the dropoff in quality in the centre in the 2nd half. The same consensus most of us reached in the Man U game we lost earlier. These small margins do matter in a league as competitive as the EPL.
If the club have recognized they need Caicedo, let them go all out for him.
However IMO I don't know why we are not seriously considering Tielemans who would be considerably cheaper, has far more experience and has the better range of passing and shooting. I am not equivocally saying he is the better option but he does look more attainable.
I doubt anyone can "break up attacks the way Partey can" however I don't believe that is the strongest part of his game or the most beneficial thing he does for us. Again I don't even believe he's in the top 6 DMs in the EPL if we rated solely on that.
Like I said before, his x factor is the way he beats the press and engineers our passing game from deep. While his best defensive quality IMO is the way he occupies space (positional awareness) something I can agree he is one of the best in the league at.
If you want someone who is effective in breaking up play, Caicedo is clearly our man, but he is not a like for like replacement for Partey either.
Caicedo is more of a Kante type, strong engine and a great tackler. What we’d lose without Partey though is that press resistance and ability to play in tight areas. I think it was Mandela who said the other day sometimes players are just so good at what they do you just have to accept you’ll suffer without them regardless.
And I don’t think Partey is always press resistant, I think the Liverpool and United press found him wanting at times when we played at the Emirates. In fact outside of this season I know plenty of times when he’s been in the team where we’ve had to affect a deep block to stop being overwhelmed.
The issue is we lack defensive midfield cover, certainly without him and yes arguably with him. In relation to someone like Tielemans being brought in as cover, we have players in that position…Xhaka, Zinchenko, arguably even Lokonga. But we don’t have anyone who is as good at winning the ball. Now I accept that’s not what all Partey does, but I do think it’s the most irreplaceable facet of his game
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