Summer Transfer Shit and Everything Else

[HCZ_Reborn]

Both players you mentioned didn't break the wage ceilings when they joined their respective clubs and DeBruyne in particular had a spectacular season with Wolfsburg where he practically rebuilt his reputation, which was why City agreed to pay the second highest transfer fee in the EPL at that time for an EPL flop.

We'll probably need to leave this discussion where it is. My opinion is this hasn't been a great deal by any stretch of the imagination...but I do hope we get value from him, though we've started on the wrong foot already.

You’re worse than me for being a contrarian. First off as the Scotsman has said you actually have nothing to go on but speculation as to what he’s actually on.

Second of all you were ranting and raving at the beginning of the year because we didn’t pay what amounted to a ridiculous amount for a completely unknown player.

De Bruyne was good at Wolfsburg, Salah played well at Roma, Havertz was a top player at Leverkusen. The thinking is that the common denominator is that it’s hard for players to make a breakthrough at Chelsea. Now I grant you that the difference is Havertz has played plenty of games for Chelsea where as the other two did not.

End of the day, we are both in agreement that this is at the very minimum a high risk move…one that i wouldn’t have done and would have wanted to pay about two thirds maximum what we did. But as keep pointing out we don’t fully know what wages he’s on, but ultimately it makes sense for those wages to be equivalent to what they were at Chelsea (and we aren’t massively clear on that). I have a breakdown of the highest paid players in the premier league which goes from 400k a week which De Bruyne is on to 190k a week and Havertz isn’t even on the list.

And as i said to Mac I just don’t buy that we would have doubled his wages

[mandela8]

I really hope your source is true, though I seriously doubt it as most sources on the net have for ages put Kai's salary at the Chavs as 290- 310 a week...and this was way before we came into the mix. Also the report of his salary (@ Arsenal) came from a german newspaper initially.

I think all of these recent sources are pulling from the same Mirror source though. Plus, just the fact it runs counter to the apparent strategy of the club. Only Jesus and Partey were on over 200, and they were both bought as established players for high paying teams.

Although, apparently the club gave Saka 180 a week, which makes Havertz on 300 look good value, tbh.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think all of these recent sources are pulling from the same Mirror source though. Plus, just the fact it runs counter to the apparent strategy of the club. Only Jesus and Partey were on over 200, and they were both bought as established players for high paying teams.

Although, apparently the club gave Saka 180 a week, which makes Havertz on 300 look good value, tbh.

I’ve never seen someone so determined to undermine their own credibility as you


But…then again you are a Scots Nationalist and that is the current trend for them

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

You’re worse than me for being a contrarian. First off as the Scotsman has said you actually have nothing to go on but speculation as to what he’s actually on.

Second of all you were ranting and raving at the beginning of the year because we didn’t pay what amounted to a ridiculous amount for a completely unknown player.

De Bruyne was good at Wolfsburg, Salah played well at Roma, Havertz was a top player at Leverkusen. The thinking is that the common denominator is that it’s hard for players to make a breakthrough at Chelsea. Now I grant you that the difference is Havertz has played plenty of games for Chelsea where as the other two did not.

End of the day, we are both in agreement that this is at the very minimum a high risk move…one that i wouldn’t have done and would have wanted to pay about two thirds maximum what we did. But as keep pointing out we don’t fully know what wages he’s on, but ultimately it makes sense for those wages to be equivalent to what they were at Chelsea (and we aren’t massively clear on that). I have a breakdown of the highest paid players in the premier league which goes from 400k a week which De Bruyne is on to 190k a week and Havertz isn’t even on the list.

And as i said to Mac I just don’t buy that we would have doubled his wages

Discussions with you will remain simply impossible because you always try and put everything in those boxes you choose to create for yourself.

I'm not going to belabour this, because its as clear as day what I am saying.

We can all choose and pick our sources if the ultimate aim of every single discussion here is to be proven right. If you choose to jump and believe an unknown website and I choose to follow the best selling newspaper in Germany( and Europe btw) regarding issues concerning a german player with the preponderance of other known media sites and chelsea club boards saying the same thing, then so be it.

This discussion just has one real truth, do you believe this deal is value? Once that is answered truthfully there really is no need go on (especially by shifting the arguement) IMO.

Time will sort out the rest.

Like I said earlier, I sincerely hope he proves me wrong.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

I think all of these recent sources are pulling from the same Mirror source though. Plus, just the fact it runs counter to the apparent strategy of the club. Only Jesus and Partey were on over 200, and they were both bought as established players for high paying teams.

Although, apparently the club gave Saka 180 a week, which makes Havertz on 300 look good value, tbh.

Lol...you really must be seeing Saka in your nightmares.

Yeah, they are all quoting from Bild, though Bild was also the first that revealed his salary when he signed for Chelsea. I'll check to see if his agent is German and probably leaking the info.

But more damning is that practically every Chelsea board puts him as their 2nd highest earner, next to the disaster that is Sterling of course.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Discussions with you will remain simply impossible because you always try and put everything in those boxes you choose to create for yourself.

I'm not going to belabour this, because its as clear as day what I am saying.

We can all choose and pick our sources if the ultimate aim of every single discussion here is to be proven right. If you choose to jump and believe an unknown website and I choose to follow the best selling newspaper in Germany( and Europe btw) regarding issues concerning a german player with the preponderance of other known media sites and chelsea club boards saying the same thing, then so be it.

This discussion just has one real truth, do you believe this deal is value? Once that is answered truthfully their really is no need go on (especially by shifting the arguement) IMO.

Time will sort out the rest.

Like I said earlier, I sincerely hope he proves me wrong.

Again I’ve been consistent with the point I’ve made all along which is that as we decided we wanted the player the wages he’s on here would be equivalent to what he’s on at Chelsea.

I get you’re saying you didn’t agree with the transfer, but as I say I’m talking specifically about the wages…we both agree the transfer is high risk with the reward factor being far from obvious.

But in terms of wages, the first thing to note is that Bild would have put the figure in euros and a lot of British reporters don’t bother translating into pounds (seen this happen countless times) which would make his earnings roughly equivalent with what Gabriel Jesus earns.

But again if it needs putting in its most simplistic terms, yes I question the transfer, but I don’t buy into this idea of it being especially egregious that we didn’t pay him less than what he was on at Chelsea

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Again I’ve been consistent with the point I’ve made all along which is that as we decided we wanted the player the wages he’s on here would be equivalent to what he’s on at Chelsea.

I get you’re saying you didn’t agree with the transfer, but as I say I’m talking specifically about the wages…we both agree the transfer is high risk with the reward factor being far from obvious.

But in terms of wages, the first thing to note is that Bild would have put the figure in euros and a lot of British reporters don’t bother translating into pounds (seen this happen countless times) which would make his earnings roughly equivalent with what Gabriel Jesus earns.

But again if it needs putting in its most simplistic terms, yes I question the transfer, but I don’t buy into this idea of it being especially egregious that we didn’t pay him less than what he was on at Chelsea

Fair point then, the latter remains our disagreement. I realistically think we should have either gotten a discount on the transfer fee or one with his wages..... we are paying top dollar for someone who has already failed at the first hurdle.

[Mac76]

On another note, what's holding up our offloading Xhaka, I thought it was basically a done deal to Germany and now we have Havertz who it seems will play 8, why doesn't that get done?

I've got champagne on ice over here...

And what about all the rest of the deadwood, Tavares, Pepe, Lokonga, Eddie etc?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Fair point then, the latter remains our disagreement. I realistically think we should have either gotten a discount on the transfer fee or one with his wages..... we are paying top dollar for someone who has already failed at the first hurdle.

And I just don’t see that as a realistic complaint (in that another club would have managed to decrease his wages, when likely had we not bought him he’d have stayed where he was). Ultimately it’s all tied in to whether you want the transfer or not, if we wanted the player enough to pay 65 million (or whatever it ends up being) it stands to reason we understood what we were going to be paying the player.

There’s no Chelsea player I want to make them the highest earner at the club (if indeed that is the case) but that’s my assessment of the players qualities rather than thinking we should have haggled over wage demand

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

On another note, what's holding up our offloading Xhaka, I thought it was basically a done deal to Germany and now we have Havertz who it seems will play 8, why doesn't that get done?

I've got champagne on ice over here...

And what about all the rest of the deadwood, Tavares, Pepe, Lokonga, Eddie etc?

Practically all the players you mentioned aren't creating a buzz, which isn't a surprise.

Though with the way Mourinho was mouthing off, I was hoping he'd create a mini bidding war for Xhaka.

"Granit Xhaka is the main man in the entire Arsenal midfield, you can’t see it unless I lend you one of my eyes. Without him, Arsenal is lost."