We've just been there and done that, and spent the last few years trying to rebuild.Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Caicedo has had one good season, let's not make out he's a 'worldie' just yet.
I'm not saying he's not better than Partey, but he still has a lot to prove & twerking for different clubs in the space of 6-8 months is not a great start IMO.
He’s 21 not a 17 year old who has shown only glimpses of his potential. This is not speculative, he is better than Partey by some distance and the gap in quality between him and Declan Rice is astronomical. If Rice is costing 105 million, Caicedo for 110 million is by comparison the biggest steal since Hatton garden.
That Arteta signed Rice for only slightly less than he could have got Caicedo, it doesn’t call into question his judgement it calls into question his sanity.
Well sorry but the jury is still out, you have your opinion and I have mine.
Even at 21 he has still only had 1 good season.
Rice is an excellent signing and once he settles into the team he will show you why.
Caicedo is a different type of player.
Talent is Talent, Caicedo has demonstrated a level of Talent that far surpasses anything Rice or Partey are capable of. This is not like a Ramsey who despite his average ability scored a lot of goals in one season. We have struggled since Vieira left to have the player who links defence and attack, and in my view Caicedo is better than Vieira was at the same age. If he hasn’t peaked, it’s absurd just how good he could get. Rice we know what to expect, a player that has often been a disappointment at international level but because he somehow managed to transfer international teams from Ireland to England im meant to believe he is anything more than a slightly more mobile David Batty.
This is a guy who was on loan at Beerschot 2 years ago.
I've naw watched a lot of Brighton but when I have he's never really stood out. In fact, the last couple of times I seen him he was at RB. I know a guy who supports Brighton who rates him about the same as Bissouma, who is very good, tbf. He's struggled with injuries and consistency at Spurs but I reckon he comes good this year. But he was 35m.
110 is a huge number. I'd still rather him over Rice but that's only because I think Rice is limited and there's a chance Caicedo may be better, but that's not based on a lot, tbh.
Though I've said severally, I prefer Caicedo over Rice, I don't think its a quality argument per se as both careers are still too young and neither has killed it in the international scene ( in particular Caicedo) for any of us to state they are next coming.
It's the style of play and player that stands out with Caicedo for me, and if I am correct Rice buries him in most important stats.
Anyway, Partey on his day is better than both AFAIC, and if I were Chelsea in particular, I'd go for Lavia (it could be argued that Caicedo makes more sense for Liverpool as both he and Mac would be paired together again).
Disagree, stats don’t mean a lot….because they are devoid of context. In terms of actual ability, Caicedo is miles better than Partey let alone Rice. The ability to play between the defensive and attacking phases, to get attacks going from just outside his own penalty box and the ability to have the ball stick to his feet despite heavy pressing in a way that I have only seen previously from players like Zidane (not that I’m comparing Caicedo to Zidane). In this ridiculously inflated market, players like Bellingham and Caicedo are worth the money because of how obscenely talented they are. Rice is not, because he doesn’t excel at anything…he’s a tidy player who will do well with passing over short distances, interceptions etc but won’t be able to carry the ball forward, have the ball skill or the ability to link the two areas of the pitch and provide balance in the way Caicedo can.
Now I accept that Rice is a different sort of player, at best he is a kind of poor man’s Emmanuel Petit to Caicedo who is potentially a superior Vieira. But there’s simply no doubt which one you’d pick if you could only buy one, and Arteta picked the inferior option
It's a pretty safe assumption that Arteta and Edu know a lot more about football, and particularly midfielders, than any of us. Knowing they could have gone for either Caicedo or Rice and picked Rice is enough to tell me he's probably a better fit for what we need.
Neymar has more talent than any of our front 3, but would I want him to replace them? Hell no, pure raw talent alone isn't all that makes a player.
The reason you wouldn’t go for Neymar is beyond football considerations. He’s a massive bell end, his wages are obscene and it wouldn’t represent a good investment given his age.
Arteta has an established reputation for being Galaxy brained. Eschewing the obvious option for the more left field one so he can demonstrate how clever he is, problem is he often gets it wrong. For most of us the path of least resistance is the best path, but Arteta seems to get perverse enjoyment into leaping into dense thickets
Absolutely
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
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