Arsenal vs Spurs 24.09.2023 KO 14:00

[Marc Overmars]

I also think we might have been a little complacent. That was the first derby in a while that we entered where the majority would have predicted a comfortable Arsenal win.

[mandela8]

If people are looking for scapegoats then there are quite a few one could choose ahead of Vieira, starting with Jorg for that horrendous fuckup, then Jesus for a bad miss which could have made it 2-0, then as I say Havertz for being largely (though I admit not wholly) useless, also Zin did his best to make it easier for Spuds on many occasions as always

but no-one walked away with huge credit we were very scrappy, in the second half especially, as has already been said

Nah, I don't think anyone in their right mind is scapegoating Viera when, as mentioned, there are other more appropriate players.

We were clearly less fluid when he came off. I'm purely speculating that he was withdrawn because Arteta thought a CM of him and Jorginho lacks strength/athleticism.

Jorginho doesn't move the ball forward enough or quickly enough and Havertz barely moves the ball at all. Those changes predictably lost us control of the midfield and how this seems painfully obvious to everyone except Arteta is genuinely concerning. Like Liverpool and West Ham (there are more I just can't remember offhand) last season and Fulham this season the points dropped are firmly Arteta's fault for more horrific in game management.

[Letters]

I also think we might have been a little complacent. That was the first derby in a while that we entered where the majority would have predicted a comfortable Arsenal win.

I thought we'd most likely win, but not sure about comfortable. We were certainly a lot better than them last season but they've unbeaten so far too - sure, they've played games they "should" be getting results in. But the Spursy is strong with those ones, they usually mess up some of those and they haven't so far. I didn't expect it to be comfortable.