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[Niall_Quinn]

No you come on here once a month, cry for the moon about how the standard of football was better at some arbitrary time in the past. Then make your obligatory comments about how we waste our time on here discussing minutiae and irrelevant matters.

Forgetting of course that that’s the point of this place.

If you’re doing something far more important with your life that it only affords you once a month on here that’s actually probably a good thing…especially given the levels of bitterness and resentment that is constant in your messages.

This place is a distraction for me nothing more, it’s easy for me to access with a smart phone and it actually doesn’t take up that much of my time…even a large post takes no more than ten minutes out of my day.

Maybe focus more on the things that give you genuine enjoyment in life, because clearly coming here even as seldom as you do gives you none. It’s clear that there are things you do take pleasure from, you were talking for example about how you and your daughter were bonding over what she was learning about music.

Ha, Bergkamp, Henry, Pires. Suck on lemons you sad fuck. You are so determined to be right about what's patently wrong. I already know what gives me genuine enjoyment, I don't need to be told.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Ha, Bergkamp, Henry, Pires. Suck on lemons you sad fuck. You are so determined to be right about what's patently wrong. I already know what gives me genuine enjoyment, I don't need to be told.

If you’re claiming coming on here gives you enjoyment, then you’re only lying to yourself

Either that or you’re doing a really good job of pretending to be someone who is highly agitated

[Niall_Quinn]

If you’re claiming coming on here gives you enjoyment, then you’re only lying to yourself

Either that or you’re doing a really good job of pretending to be someone who is highly agitated

Okay, so you need to make my argument for me. Okay, we'll accept YOUR version of MY argument and ignore the fact I never made such an argument. It's so fucking childish. But anyway. Given that "coming on here gives you enjoyment", what makes the Arsenal football team in any way equivalent to what we've seen in the past?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Okay, so you need to make my argument for me. Okay, we'll accept YOUR version of MY argument and ignore the fact I never made such an argument. It's so fucking childish. But anyway. Given that "coming on here gives you enjoyment", what makes the Arsenal football team in any way equivalent to what we've seen in the past?

Well ok first off I’m talking about your view of football in general in that the standard has dropped exponentially from this arbitrary time in the past. Henry and Bergkamp were extraordinary even when they were playing, they weren’t of a standard that was easily replicated. Pires ? Well I don’t think Odegaard, Saka are far off that standard at all but please thrill me with your acumen as to how wrong you KNOW I am.


I think football is no better or worse, it just changes…..we are certainly better off now as spectators than ten-fifteen years ago when there were more teams emulating either the Mourinho or Atletico Madrid style or just the kind of non football displayed by Bolton, Stoke etc

I do think that too many teams play the low block, but it’s nothing new. A year after we won the double in 2002…we had teams sticking 11 men behind the ball both in the champions league and the premier league. The fact is the brilliant, one touch pass and move football that you’re eulogising even back then became pretty turgid when it was denied space to operate in, in the final third.

[Niall_Quinn]

Well ok first off I’m talking about your view of football in general in that the standard has dropped exponentially from this arbitrary time in the past. Henry and Bergkamp were extraordinary even when they were playing, they weren’t of a standard that was easily replicated. Pires ? Well I don’t think Odegaard, Saka are far off that standard at all but please thrill me with your acumen as to how wrong you KNOW I am.


I think football is no better or worse, it just changes…..we are certainly better off now as spectators than ten-fifteen years ago when there were more teams emulating either the Mourinho or Atletico Madrid style or just the kind of non football displayed by Bolton, Stoke etc

I do think that too many teams play the low block, but it’s nothing new. A year after we won the double in 2002…we had teams sticking 11 men behind the ball both in the champions league and the premier league. The fact is the brilliant, one touch pass and move football that you’re eulogising even back then became pretty turgid when it was denied space to operate in, in the final third.

Well thanks for proving an actual answer. It really does move things along so much better.

Here's my conspiracy theory. I think football used to be mostly about sport and partly about money (as a necessity) and is now entirely about the money and with nothing to do with sport. And if you view things that way then absolutely everything makes perfect sense. Try it.

Saka vs Pires? Seriously?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Well thanks for proving an actual answer. It really does move things along so much better.

Here's my conspiracy theory. I think football used to be mostly about sport and partly about money (as a necessity) and is now entirely about the money and with nothing to do with sport. And if you view things that way then absolutely everything makes perfect sense. Try it.

Saka vs Pires? Seriously?

No it’s always been about money in modern times, certainly since the advent of the premier league….the human rights abusing owners of clubs has just codified it even more so. To be honest if you’re talking about football at a time where it was just about sport, I’m only 40….so you’d be going back before my time

Plus I can pretty much guarantee that I’ve given you the exact answer as in my previous post before now.

[Niall_Quinn]

No it’s always been about money, certainly since the advent of the premier league….the human rights abusing owners of clubs has just codified it even more so. To be honest if you’re talking about football at a time where it was just about sport, I’m only 40….so you’d be going back before my time

Rubbish. The kid who grew up in a town and worked his way uo to play for that town in the football league, that wasn't fake and that wasn't about the money - seeing as they got paid enough to afford chips down the pub we all used to drink in. You are assuring me my own experiences aren't real. Thanks, my mistake.

Everything the modern corporation has touched is worse. I defy abyone to name one example where the corporation has made things better. Just the one. From all of history. Name it.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Rubbish. The kid who grew up in a town and worked his way uo to play for that town in the football league, that wasn't fake and that wasn't about the money - seeing as they got paid enough to afford chips down the pub we all used to drink in. You are assuring me my own experiences aren't real. Thanks, my mistake.

Everything the modern corporation has touched is worse. I defy abyone to name one example where the corporation has made things better. Just the one. From all of history. Name it.

If you don’t think at the very least top flight football has been money centric since the premier league began I don’t know what to tell you.

The Roy of the Rovers stuff? I won’t lie, does kind of sound like rose tinted spectacles. It’s human nature to have a romantic view of the past.
As for the strength of your memories, well as I’m trying to debate sensibly I’ll put aside any comment about alcohol killing the brain cells

But as I say I’m only 40, so when it did happen well before my time


As for the stuff about corporations. Not really sure who you’d be expecting to disagree with you on that point

[Niall_Quinn]

If you don’t think at the very least top flight football has been money centric since the premier league began I don’t know what to tell you.

The Roy of the Rovers stuff? I won’t lie, does kind of does sound like rose tinted spectacles. It’s human nature to have a romantic view of the past. But as I say I’m only 40, so when it did happen well before my time


As for the stuff about corporations. Not really sure who you’d be expecting to disagree with you on that point

Since when the Premier League began? That's WHY the poxy league began. You take proof of my point and then convert it into a "Roy of the Rovers" parody. Are you SURE you aren't a corporate shill?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Since when the Premier League began? That's WHY the poxy league began. You take proof of my point and then convert it into a "Roy of the Rovers" parody. Are you SURE you aren't a corporate shill?

Are you just inventing arguments to be opposed to. Of course the Premier league was about money from the outset that’s the point I’m making…I didn’t think it needed to be said.

I was 8 when Division one became the Premier League, and when you look at how the Liverpool “red machine” went about winning titles even pre Premier league the pathway was set for what was to come even before then

I was born in the season 1983/1984 which was the first season corporate sponsorship came onto football shirts so what I’m telling you is I have no living memory of football not being about money. I don’t know how clearer I can make that