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    Liverpool are signing Federico Chiesa for 12m. He’s not really kicked on after the promise he showed a few years back but for that price it’s a decent punt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    Honestly I think it's a weird move for him.
    He wants to play first team football and i suspect bigger clubs were put off by his appearances v Brentford last year which were every shaky - i suspect he'll really shine for Saints and be picked up by a bigger club next summer

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    This Ramsdale deal is pretty poor. IIRC we payed more to bring him to this club so I am unsure how suddenly his value has declined especially when he proved to everyone that he could be a no1 at a top club like ours and even get to the national side.

    I think its a mistake selling him for peanuts and not looking to try and keep 2 really good goalkeepers for a team which is trying to win something substantial after not winning anything for ages.

    Also WTF is going with us and our get rid syndrome of talented relatively young keepers just because of one or 2 cockups??? We made this mistake with Fabianski, Szcesney and Emi and though I supported letting Leno go, even he has haunted us a few times.

    Also mentioning that, why do we keep selling our talented keepers to EPL teams?? Am I the only one who recognises that they keep on putting MOTM performances against us?? I do not think its a coincidence that both Fulham and Villa beat us last season and I am sure if we check you will see the pattern of us dropping points to our past keepers has been this way for the last 3-4 years. So now that Fab is practically retired we've decided to upgrade Southampton to a boogey team too??? Surely we should have learnt our lesson by now and if we were going to sell him for peanuts we should have looked to go continental FFS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac76 View Post
    you're mistaking an act for sulking, he was trying to make a point i think but it wasn't as emotional as sulking
    If you need to make a point on the pitch with a display of petulance in your goal celebration it’s a sulk. Whilst his overall performance was very professional, I thought it was childish sulking. And he’s someone who has two kids, and honestly I wouldn’t want my kids to see me acting like that on tv.

    Let’s be fair, De Zerbi had an issue with his attitude when he wanted to leave Brighton. So it’s not exactly like this behaviour is out of the blue. Dont get me wrong, I still think he’s been a good signing….on the pitch his performances are generally good. I could just personally do without the tantrums

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    If you need to make a point on the pitch with a display of petulance in your goal celebration it’s a sulk. Whilst his overall performance was very professional, I thought it was childish sulking. And he’s someone who has two kids, and honestly I wouldn’t want my kids to see me acting like that on tv.

    Let’s be fair, De Zerbi had an issue with his attitude when he wanted to leave Brighton. So it’s not exactly like this behaviour is out of the blue. Dont get me wrong, I still think he’s been a good signing….on the pitch his performances are generally good. I could just personally do without the tantrums
    If you think that's a tantrum try reading some of your own posts

    He was sending himself up that's all, the guy is very balanced - if he had any kind of attitude problems we all know Arteta, who spent a lot of time and (the club's) money getting rid of anyone who talked back, wouldn't have gone near him and he'd have known via Ben White

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE View Post
    This Ramsdale deal is pretty poor. IIRC we payed more to bring him to this club so I am unsure how suddenly his value has declined especially when he proved to everyone that he could be a no1 at a top club like ours and even get to the national side.

    I think its a mistake selling him for peanuts and not looking to try and keep 2 really good goalkeepers for a team which is trying to win something substantial after not winning anything for ages.

    Also WTF is going with us and our get rid syndrome of talented relatively young keepers just because of one or 2 cockups??? We made this mistake with Fabianski, Szcesney and Emi and though I supported letting Leno go, even he has haunted us a few times.

    Also mentioning that, why do we keep selling our talented keepers to EPL teams?? Am I the only one who recognises that they keep on putting MOTM performances against us?? I do not think its a coincidence that both Fulham and Villa beat us last season and I am sure if we check you will see the pattern of us dropping points to our past keepers has been this way for the last 3-4 years. So now that Fab is practically retired we've decided to upgrade Southampton to a boogey team too??? Surely we should have learnt our lesson by now and if we were going to sell him for peanuts we should have looked to go continental FFS!
    A year ago, this would have been my attitude. And Raya’s start in an Arsenal shirt was hardly inspiring confidence. I thought it was unfair that Ramsdale was being targeted as the weak link for the fact that we were conceding goals at home despite the opposition having a low XG count. But I have to say, a year on I think Arteta’s ruthlessness has clearly had some logic to it. Raya both in saves and in ball distribution is a better keeper than Ramsdale, and Ramsdale wants to play football…I actually would say that he’s been very professional and patient to sit on the bench for as long as he has and not really complain about it.
    But the fact is, we are operating in a different world in football from when we bought him. Recouping the money we got from him and more so was always going to be a big ask, because buying clubs don’t want to end up like Forest or Everton and being deducted points for overspend. In that regard the money we are getting for Nketiah, Smith Rowe and Ramsdale is pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE View Post
    We made this mistake with Fabianski, Szcesney and Emi and though I supported letting Leno go, even he has haunted us a few times.
    I thought letting Emi go was a result of misplaced loyalty on Arteta's part towards Leno, it made no sense given Martinez suited what Arteta wanted to do playing-wise much more than Leno who can't play out from the back at all

    we lost a literally world-class keeper in Martinez, maybe it was a personality thing, Martinez strikes me as the kind of individually-minded guy Arteta would take against

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac76 View Post
    If you think that's a tantrum try reading some of your own posts

    He was sending himself up that's all, the guy is very balanced - if he had any kind of attitude problems we all know Arteta woudln't have gone near him and he'd have known via Ben White
    Well it would depend what post you’re referring to. 95% of the time, I’m treating you with the contempt you deserve, because I regard you as a bit of a silly person. I think I’ve only ever really got annoyed with you when you’ve tried to insinuate that I would abuse a child….its not something I feel I should take with good humour to be honest.

    But im sure some of my posts are a bit petulant, it doesn’t change the fact that im identifying petulance in someone else. Plus the difference is this place is frequented by almost no one and no one knows who I am anyway. Not sure if it was being viewed by millions of people and my identity was clearly known id behave the same way

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    Well it would depend what post you’re referring to. 95% of the time, I’m treating you with the contempt you deserve, because I regard you as a bit of a silly person. I think I’ve only ever really got annoyed with you when you’ve tried to insinuate that I would abuse a child….
    Once again I didn't say that - I simply pointed out that you had what I personally regard as a somewhat unhealthy obsession with that kind of thing, given the metaphors and examples you frequently reached for

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac76 View Post
    Once again I didn't say that - I simply pointed out that you had what I personally regard as a somewhat unhealthy obsession with that kind of thing, given the metaphors and examples you frequently reached for
    No you did clearly intimate that and then shrugged it off as a joke.

    Plus I can’t prove it because I don’t know what’s in your mind, but I don’t believe at all you do think I have an “unhealthy obsession” with anything, it’s more you playing the man rather than the ball because you don’t have a response to the more substantive point being made.

    But maybe I’m projecting, I have NQ on ignore because a) I get tired of being told what I should be concerned about and b) he actually tries to gaslight people, if I engage in argument with him, lhe will end up arguing the same thing as I’ve argued to begin with and then claim I’ve never made that argument and I’m lying (fuck off you malcontent maladjusted weirdo). But his language doesn’t bother me at all…calling people queers is at worst a bit juvenile to me. Perhaps I shouldn’t assume that you claim it bothers you more than it does.

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