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[IBK]

In that context, I agree.
I wouldn't be indifferent if we won it, but it wouldn't be enough for me either to make me think Arteta can get us over the line in the biggest competitions.

Strangely enough I fancy us as much for the CL as for the FA Cup with all the fixture congestion...

[Chippy]

Strangely enough I fancy us as much for the CL as for the FA Cup with all the fixture congestion...

Champion's league?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Champion's league?

I could be wrong but the point being made is because of the fixture pile up, even winning the fa cup will be as hard as the champions league

I’ll be honest I would have been ok with us going out of the league cup to palace. It’s a nothing trophy.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Arteta’s record as coach seems to work in halves

Arteta’s first 96 league games which take us from the time he took charge to the end of the season where we missed out on the Champions League

Totalling 49 wins 16 draws and 31 defeats


Then the season where we first challenged for the league until now

Totalling 65 wins 18 draws and 13 defeats

Scored 150 goals in first 96 games

Scored 218 goals in second 96 games


Going from averaging 1.6 goals a game to 2.3


Conceded 109 in first 96

Conceded 91 in second 96



And in last two seasons


You can arguably split up the season in halves - first half of 2022/2023 we got 50 points, second half 34

Albeit less of a big split, First half of last season 40 points, second half 49 points

[Mac76]

Let’s be reasonable and realistic here. There are two pieces of silverware that count as significant and only two and those are the League title and the European cup/Champions League. The rest are either window dressing or an admission of failure that we haven’t been able to compete for the other two.

Clubs like Real Madrid and Bayern Munich view their own domestic cups in such a way, and winning four fa cups in the last decade does not even begin to ameliorate the fact that we haven’t won our domestic league in over twenty years.

Like everyone else you're missing the point that everyone has to start somewhere and for this team, which is entirely different from the one that last won the FAC, it is very important for them to have a day in the sun and to hold a trophy and know they can do it. With a very few exceptions such as Jorginho none of them have won anything.

THat's why I'd take even the League Cup right now as it would help to build confidence that they can go onto greater things.

[HCZ_Reborn]

That’s a load of bullshit though isn’t it. Liverpool didn’t need a “day in the sun” before they won the European cup and the premier league the next season.

As far as I’m concerned, the league cup, the fa cup and to be honest even the champions league are distractions from the league especially with a thin squad and injury issues.

[IBK]

I could be wrong but the point being made is because of the fixture pile up, even winning the fa cup will be as hard as the champions league

I’ll be honest I would have been ok with us going out of the league cup to palace. It’s a nothing trophy.

You're definitely not wrong

[IBK]

That’s a load of bullshit though isn’t it. Liverpool didn’t need a “day in the sun” before they won the European cup and the premier league the next season.

As far as I’m concerned, the league cup, the fa cup and to be honest even the champions league are distractions from the league especially with a thin squad and injury issues.

In fairness, my opinion is that silverware of any nature can be an important building block. the FA Cup saved Arteta's career at Arsenal. We have been nearly men for 2 seasons, and there is an argument for saying that for this team even the Carabo Cup might be a psychological boost for a team that is in danger of regressing if we end this season empty handed.

[Mac76]

In fairness, my opinion is that silverware of any nature can be an important building block. the FA Cup saved Arteta's career at Arsenal. We have been nearly men for 2 seasons, and there is an argument for saying that for this team even the Carabo Cup might be a psychological boost for a team that is in danger of regressing if we end this season empty handed.

Precisely, unfortunately people need a certain level of maturity to understand that point

[HCZ_Reborn]

Precisely, unfortunately people need a certain level of maturity to understand that point

Except it’s not previously been a building block for us - in fact of the last five fa cups we’ve won, only once have we even challenged for the league the following season.

If you simply want us to win another FA cup as it’s five years since the last one, and like with the league cup a trophy is better than nothing…simply say so. But there’s no evidence of it ever being a staging post for something bigger.

Personally I’d rather prioritise the league, we probably have given ourselves too much to do thanks to Arteta but I think this Liverpool side (which has never won more than four games in a row so far this season) shouldnt be allowed to canter to the title