When will Arteta be sacked by

[HCZ_Reborn]

Anyway I really have to go back to work, whilst this place is distracting. My old dog responded when I spoke to her by pining her ears back, slanting her head and wagging her tail and this is just reminding me of that, without any endearing quality.

[IBK]

You’re an intelligent guy (I know it’s relative to people on here, most of whom if a plastic bag was put over their heads would asphyxiate before working out to take it off) surely you can see how vapid and superficial an argument that is?


Names don’t matter because Managers/Head coaches are functionaries or at least should be. If a squad is well assembled it largely manages itself. The idea of the manager being this mastermind Generalissimo is a very analogue one and exists only to keep the egos of men like Arteta inflated.

I don't think it's vapid or superficial to point out that changing an excellent manager who has created a squad that you clearly acknowledge has been well assembled (though not perfect), and got us to a position that would be envied by most other clubs carries significant risk.

Do you think that Arteta will struggle to get a position at one of Europe's top clubs when he leaves? If so I have no doubt you will be proven wrong. If not then logically you have to acknowledge my point.

As for the idea that managers are merely 'functionaries' in the sense that a squad largely manages itself - really? If that's the case why haven't Chelsea walked the league recently - given the money they have spent? In fact, why is the actual position of every team in the league in 2024/25 different to its wage bill? To suggest that in any team sport management is effectively divorced from the talent of its manager is strethcing your argument beyond breaking point. Not to mention that it makes any discussion about Arteta's successor pretty pointless, and reduces it to 'anyone but Arteta'. Most clear minded Gooners can see the obvious flaw in this.

[Letters]

It also ignores the obvious fact that Arteta remains one of the best managers around.

Is that an obvious fact?

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If you don’t know what it had to do with you, maybe you shouldn’t have posted it….and go back to flinging faeces about

I can only explain in so many ways, if you can’t make the bridge in understanding it’s really not my fault. I don’t suppose it’s anyones…it’s just that obviously in your case there was a cul de sac evolution went down


Sexual deviancy?. I don’t know anything about that. If you’re talking about yourself….usually it’s standard practice or was to castrate the intellectually feeble to stop them from procreating. So if you’re assuming that other men are coming on to you, maybe they were remiss when it came time to take away your nuts

The only person in a cul de sac here is you, as you are clearly struggling to connect the dots nor explain your recent behaviour....but maybe I'm wrong and it's not sexual, maybe its a corrupted Tourette like malady you are afflicted with, who the hell knows.....but this is my last reply to you on this , so you can go on and have the last word (which we all know you need to, or you cease to exist )

[IBK]

Yes none of us (I assume) are experts in football across Europe and beyond to single out the best new manager (though I do agree with HCZ that we should revert to the 'head coach' model - making Arteta full manager was a big mistake).

I actually think Amorim will come good in the end at Man Ure and we need to be looking at people like that.

Letters is right, Arteta has done a lot of good things in terms of rebuilding trust and building a team cohesion, but maybe that's all he has for us and to actually be at the top, rather than also-rans, it’s now maybe someone else's job to add to that work

The trouble with Arteta is it's not a case of him gaining more experience, he's just so stubborn and cautious that I’m not sure that will ever change, at least not as long as he's here - ironically I could see him going elsewhere and using that shift to move himself on, but it’s happening too slowly here, if at all – he’s wedded to control and defensive players over attack and quick transition and it's making us turkeys.

I really think top four (and yes that is very important) is in real danger now, with Newcastle, Citeh, Forest and Chelsea at the very least genuine challengers to unseat us – losing CL would be a disaster, players like Saliba might go elsewhere and it would be harder to recruit, not to mention the loss of income.

For that reason, those who want Arteta to go should want us to do really badly from here on, as if we lose top four then the Kroenkes will take a long hard look at Arteta.

I don’t really want that bad run to happen though, because I’m an Arsenal fan and don’t want to see us lose game after game, but there’s a real danger of it now.

I think we’re about to hit a real dip but let’s see, Arsenal have pulled it out of the bag before, but some attacking recruits and a change of mindset from Arteta are crucial – the first has to be a real possibility, the second I fear not so much…

I agree with most of your post - but it's let down by hose who want Arteta to go should want us to do really badly from here on.

For all my caution about the reality of changing our manager - for me the odds are that this will not bring us the instant success we crave (bar very good luck with tiny pot of potential candidates) - I see and have ponted out what I think are Arteta's flaws many times. I am also wary about Arteta having too much power and a lack of counter to this - just as we saw with Wenger - and I see the force of HCZ's point about having a head coach rather than a manager.

I like your last line - this reflects what I think.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I don't think it's vapid or superficial to point out that changing an excellent manager who has created a squad that you clearly acknowledge has been well assembled (though not perfect), and got us to a position that would be envied by most other clubs carries significant risk.

Do you think that Arteta will struggle to get a position at one of Europe's top clubs when he leaves? If so I have no doubt you will be proven wrong. If not then logically you have to acknowledge my point.

As for the idea that managers are merely 'functionaries' in the sense that a squad largely manages itself - really? If that's the case why haven't Chelsea walked the league recently - given the money they have spent? In fact, why is the actual position of every team in the league in 2024/25 different to its wage bill? To suggest that in any team sport management is effectively divorced from the talent of its manager is strethcing your argument beyond breaking point. Not to mention that it makes any discussion about Arteta's successor pretty pointless, and reduces it to 'anyone but Arteta'. Most clear minded Gooners can see the obvious flaw in this.

Because the whole set up at Chelsea is a complete mess and whatever guy wants to self harm enough to take on that job is invariably the lightning rod when it goes wrong.

I’m not saying Anyone but Arteta, because there are clearly people out there with bigger egos than him. But the point is someone of that personality type wouldn’t take up the role of head coach because they would want to be the Daddy.

Nothing worthwhile is without risk, you would have to have a set up at the club that could accommodate the model I prescribe, and would be a case of getting the right people in all the key positions. What I’m trying to do (and obviously not succeeding at) is weening people off this idea of the Manager being this singular agent of change….i don’t think it has to be that way and it’s harmful when it is.

I even explained to the idiot getting cross with me yesterday evening that Arteta could do the job if he had it within him to swallow his pride, go back to being the head coach and be prepared to shit can his galaxy brained idiosyncrasies


I don’t think he’s capable of that though. That’s not even a dig at him…I wouldn’t be capable of it….id see it as an insult

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Is that an obvious fact?

With the money he has spent (and who he has spent it on) and the unconventional time we've given him to master his craft.... I must say the results so far don't suggest he is doing anything out of the ordinary.

[IBK]

I think so. When you look at European manager rankings he is consistently in the top 10 or even 5. Do you disagree?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Arteta needs to go not because he’s tactically inferior or anything like that but because he’s too convinced of his own superiority to be flexible. I think Guardiola equally suffers from this.

I think Arteta would succeed if he went somewhere where his clear negative attributes would be cancelled out by the quality of player he has at his disposal. But there’s no way he’d succeed at a club of our size that isn’t one of super clubs like Bayern or Real Madrid.

Guardiola similarly would have failed at Arsenal, I'm sure of it

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think so. When you look at European manager rankings he is consistently in the top 10 or even 5. Do you disagree?

I don’t know because as I say I’m utterly convinced that it’s pointless to rank managers, when the success they have is largely dependent on the club they manage. I suppose the difference is between managers who are totally incompetent and egotistical and ones who can do what their told.

I think though Klopp stands out as the best coach because he was in the title race so long last season with a team that had absolutely no right to be there, and what’s more he left the blueprint for someone to succeed in his stead when Man City collapsed and Arsenal glued their own dick to their belly.