General Football Nonsense

[Mac76]

We agree that many of the current crop of English coaches are poor, the difference is you think it’s because they are English that they are poor.

That's not what I have been saying, I have been saying that perhaps there are certain cultural characteristics prevalent in (cue sigh as I once again have to put the following word in bold italics in the hope the point will finally sink through) football which prevent good english coaches coming through - your pathetic endless attempts to mean that makes me some kind of anti-Emglish person is as tiresome as it is nonsensical - you often accuse me and others of 'reaching' but that's a bigger reach than any assertion I've made

It proves you're just looking for facile ways of undermining my comments rather than addressing the point, which is that you are STILL not explaining WHY English coaches are not coming through.

In fact when you stop your ridiculous ranting about patriotism you almost start to give a reason here but fall short:

Now you’ve noted that I said more English players should be prepared to play abroad and I still say this, and I say the same about English coaches…in order to get the experience they are not getting here. But I think also more needs to be done to encourage them from a young age. For a lot of working class kids in this country to become a footballer is an aspiration, why not becoming a coach as well?.

so how about answering your own question? why isn't it an aspiration?

what are you afraid of? is it that your theory is that it's because of the lizard people and you think we'll laugh at you?

[HCZ_Reborn]

I don’t have to attempt anything, that you are an Anti-English snob who has a false sense of superiority is just a fact. I’m sorry that it frustrates you me pointing that out. The assumption that England is culturally inferior even within the confines of football is a reflexively Anti English attitude.

To put it bluntly if you don’t want to be shot at, you should maybe stop giving me ammunition


The decline in English coaches at the top level is a far more recent phenomenon, so unless you’re attributing it to some cultural revolution that’s taken place on the continent that has left England behind (there hasn’t been) in fact what’s happened is that because of money we’ve just taken far more of their coaches and players because it’s easier to bring in a finished product from someone else than something you’ve shown the patience to develop yourself.

Also when you say why not you aren’t always saying “why isn’t this the case” you’re saying “why shouldn’t this be the case?” You get that right?. I don’t know why kids don’t have aspirations to become coaches, if I had to guess it’s because footballers have a bigger profile than football coaches and kids love the idea of being famous.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Will you two just fuck already?

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[HCZ_Reborn]

Will you two just fuck already?

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You must have had some very interesting dating experiences is all I can say

[Mac76]

I don’t have to attempt anything, that you are an Anti-English snob who has a false sense of superiority is just a fact.

no it's clearly not a fact and as someone who likes to pretend to make reasonable evidence-based arguments (even though most of them aren't, and in fact often are contradictory) it's utterly pathetic of you to say any different

It is in fact a made-up attitude you're projecting onto me because it seems to make you happy, though I really don't know why

The decline in English coaches at the top level is a far more recent phenomenon, so unless you’re attributing it to some cultural revolution that’s taken place on the continent that has left England behind (there hasn’t been) in fact what’s happened is that because of money we’ve just taken far more of their coaches and players because it’s easier to bring in a finished product from someone else than something you’ve shown the patience to develop yourself.

That 'phenomenon' is the fact that, with a certain Arsene Wenger (former manager of Arsenal - look him up) being an early example, when coaches came in from abroad they demonstrated a far more sophisticated knowledge and attitude on everything from fitness to diet to tactics etc, whcih is why they have become more and more prevalent in the English game.

As to why English managers have simply failed to show themselves capable of taking on exactly the same widely-available knowledge and techniques and applying them successfully at a high level, if it isn't some kind of cultural resistance or backwardness, is it not then that they're not intelligent enough?

And if they're not intelligent enough is it because of some kind of anti-intellectualism in English football?

The kind of 'I like burgers and a pint with the lads' mentailiy a neanderthal like Sean Dyche is always talking about?

or something else?

Again we await your alternative theory

[Mac76]

Will you two just fuck already?

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[HCZ_Reborn]

no it's clearly not a fact and as someone who likes to pretend to make reasonable evidence-based arguments (even though most of them aren't, and in fact often are contradictory) it's utterly pathetic of you to say any different

It is in fact a made-up attitude you're projecting onto me because it seems to make you happy, though I really don't know why



That 'phenomenon' is the fact that, with a certain Arsene Wenger (former manager of Arsenal - look him up) being an early example, when coaches came in from abroad they demonstrated a far more sophisticated knowledge and attitude on everything from fitness to diet to tactics etc, whcih is why they have become more and more prevalent in the English game.

As to why English managers have simply failed to show themselves capable of taking on exactly the same widely-available knowledge and techniques and applying them successfully at a high level, if it isn't some kind of cultural resistance or backwardness, is it not then that they're not intelligent enough?

And if they're not intelligent enough is it because of some kind of anti-intellectualism in English football?

The kind of 'I like burgers and a pint with the lads' mentailiy a neanderthal like Sean Dyche is always talking about?

or something else?

Again we await your alternative theory

I’m going to have to insist that you either stop using we or get yourself checked for dissociative personality disorder

You reject my assertion because you don’t believe your almost pathological tendency to make Anti-English comments makes you Anti-English. If someone made racist comments all the time you wouldn’t think it unreasonable to call the person racist?

English coaches were common in the league long after Wenger came to us, and for intrinsically primitive coaches the whole premier league was very quick to adapt to the fitness and diet regimen that coaches like he brought in (so where exactly was the cultural resistance?). This was largely more about how football was changing and players becoming more like athletes. Plus you’ll get a different account of dietary regimen from Englishmen who played abroad based on where they went, the Mediterranean diet in Italy and Spain was not as prominent in places like France and Germany. And your argument is predicated on England being the primitive man of Europe in footballing terms, as compared to the rest of the continent (the fact that is your base assumption is why I call you Anti English but yeah keep complaining that I’m being unfair)

Plus given how dogmatic Wenger was tactically, he’s probably not the best example of adaptive tactics and style anyhow.

The Throat Cancer boy comment about going out for a Burger with his players was an example about building relationships, if you think stodgy carbs are part of the ordinary diet for Everton players whilst he was there, you’re even more stupid than I took you for.

Ranieri took Leicester players out for Pizza (fatty carbs) not long after he was made Leicester coach as a team bonding exercise. Similarly I doubt pizza was a common staple diet for the players nutritional intake.

I’ve given you my theory. Pretty much every time I reply to you I restate my theory. You act as though I haven’t and whinge when I point out your theory is based on you being an effete snob who doesn’t even realise that they are in fact no more sophisticated than the people they sneer at and deride.

[Letters]

Will you two just fuck already?

I can't believe HCZ is cheating on me, tbh

[Niall_Quinn]

Here we go: https://www.squawka.com/en/features/...rrors-2024-25/

Now we need somebody to add in the red card bollocks.

So now we know why they introduced VAR, so they could refine their cheating. I'm sure they now have the capabilities to provide data to those Asian bookies weeks in advance.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I can't believe HCZ is cheating on me, tbh

Sometimes I just feel like your heart isn’t in it anymore

Like you can only be bothered to row with me when you think I’m being stubborn. Like how you think I was being ridiculous when I claimed Liverpool have been lucky. A narrative that actually is gaining a lot more traction (in terms of referee leniency at any rate) and of course it helped when you tried to assert that I’d claimed that it was only because they were lucky that they were ahead of us.

Plus ultimately it has less legs on it than sneering middle class stereotype virtue signaller resents being labelled as such