General Football Nonsense

[Niall_Quinn]

And it's not just the reds we have picked up, but also the reds our opponents got away with. That nailed on red for the nasty tackle from behind on Martinelli, which is what probably injured him, is just the latest example. That Liverpool defender not being sent off for a string of offences our players have been carded for time and again, and they get the luxury of subbing him off so he gets maximum benefit from his cheating.

What makes it all finally worth complaining about with a view to getting something done about it, previously when the officials had to decide in the moment there was always the reasonable defence (except in the case of Riley and Bennett of course) the ref or the lino just didn't see it, or had a bad angle or just fucked up. But now, with cameras and other technology all over the place the only reason to get a decision wrong is cheating. And we shouldn't have cheating, not from the clubs (like City's blatant flouting of FFP), the players (with all their rolling around and screaming) and certainly not the officials who are the worst culprits of the lot it seems.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Anyway for the TLDR crowd

Mac “Claiming that all English coaches are unsophisticated troglodytes because of a primitive attitude that permeates in English football isn’t Anti English and it isn’t at all a paradigm example of how I think English culture is inherently also unsophisticated”

[HCZ_Reborn]

(and I'm not referring to the Tapatalk bit )

Homophobe!

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I can't believe HCZ is cheating on me, tbh

He'll always be your number 1.

It wouldn't hurt if you showed him some love every so often though.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'd forgotten what an irritating little shit Owen is.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I find him too dull to be irritating. A complete absence of a person

[Mac76]

your almost pathological tendency

still waiting for all those examples

I’ve given you my theory. Pretty much every time I reply to you I restate my theory.

but it isn’t it a theory - it stops at 'young English people don’t go into coaching' - you fail to try to explain why

for all that you don’t like or perhaps don’t understand my own theory - and most likely wantonly misinterpret it to try to blacken me (your own pathological obsession perhaps? ) – it is at least a theory

The Throat Cancer boy comment about going out for a Burger with his players was an example about building relationships, if you think stodgy carbs are part of the ordinary diet for Everton players whilst he was there, you’re even more stupid than I took you for.

He said it when at Burnley

[Letters]

Sigh.

[HCZ_Reborn]

still waiting for all those examples




but it isn’t it a theory - it stops at 'young English people don’t go into coaching' - you fail to try to explain why

for all that you don’t like or perhaps don’t understand my own theory - and most likely wantonly misinterpret it to try to blacken me (your own pathological obsession perhaps? ) – it is at least a theory



He said it when at Burnley

Yes, there are fewer English coaches at top level because there are fewer English players going into coaching after their playing career has finished. Maybe because if I borrow what IBK stated about minorities, there is the innate belief that they don’t really belong there. You don’t have to agree with the theory, but it’s a theory all the same.

Maybe because they see getting into punditry as easier given the expansion of media forms from the traditional to podcast forums etc, maybe they don’t really need the money. Maybe they don’t want the scrutiny.


I seem to recall Luis Felipe Scolari turning down the England role because he thought the English media were too intrusive. The difference is I’m not hitting at a definite conclusion unlike yourself who somehow believes that there was a tactical revolution 20-30 years ago that somehow English coaches didn’t get the memo for and when they did they refused to get on board.

Ultimately the coaches you consider troglodytes end up at mid-lower table teams (as is befitting I guess) but what I often notice is that the same kind of football is practiced no matter what the nationality of the coach is. In England we might call it pub football, on the continent it might be considered a variant of catennacio (maybe you’re one of these people who believes that anything with a foreign sounding name is more sophisticated, but it just means door lock)

I’m only trying to blacken you if you consider my opinion of what kind of person you are as a negative. I think there are a subset of people to which you belong who consider themselves superior and sneer at what you see as lowbrow culture that represents at least a plurality of white working class people in this country. The kind of people you think are guilty of both false consciousness if they vote for right wing parties, and equally have some notion of their own innate superiority and I believe this view bleeds into your attitude concerning English coaches.


I observe from experience that people who think like this are usually no smarter than the people that they look down upon, and that they often substitute political views for moral worth. In your case, the need to tell people you don’t read the sun or pay money to Murdoch as if anyone actually gives a fuck.

I remember going on a date with a woman who delighted in telling me how she’d harangued a guy she went on a date with because he voted leave and saying “he couldn’t answer why he’d voted that way”. Now I could have turned that around on her and quite easily deduced that the reason she voted Remain was vibes (I think Vibes is the main reason people vote the way they do, a feeling or association people make). But I didn’t, she wanted to meet again but I ghosted her because I can’t be doing with undue sanctimony.

As for Sean Dyche, does it really matter whether he said that at Everton or Burnley…the same standard still applies. Burnley didn’t manage to stay up for several seasons on a diet of burger and chips. Even shithousing requires more than the quick energy release you’d get from carbs and fat. In many cases his tactics are the cynical consideration that with the players at his disposal that trying to play a more open and expansive game would ultimately be futile. And if you look at Vincent Kompany and how he did with Burnley, I’d argue that this was probably a reasonable consideration.

But you seem to want to make him a paradigm for base English thuggery.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Sigh.

Yes I know, I know

In reality I’m working on my day off because I came back yesterday to a tsunami (because apparently covering for colleagues during sickness or leave is a one way street) so I don’t particularly have time for this (even though I clearly started this particular row…I need to go back to just posting images of Salacious Crumb) yet somehow I’ll still find myself wasting time doing this….ah well that’s cognitive dissonance for you


Don’t pretend you’re any better though