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    Quote Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club View Post
    Gyokores pisses all over Sesko (who supposedly Arteta wants) and is on a par with Isak (who we won't be getting), but considerably cheaper (around £68m by reports)

    He is a direct CF, which is what we need rather than an 'he plays here but could probably play there' type of player.
    Does he? based on what criteria. The Portuguese league is so inferior to the Bundesliga that a goal scoring comparison is not really a fair assessment. I’m far more impressed with the technique and strength of Sesko to be honest.

    Direct centre forwards are a bit of a rarity and the reason for that is for one reason or another they’ve gone out of style

    Gyokeres for me I expect at best to be at the level of a Teemu Pukki (would be great for a mid table team) and at worst either a Mateja Kezman or Mario Jardel.
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    Despite the nightmare transfer of Nicolas Pepe, I’d consider getting Jonathan David from Lille

    I don’t buy into this idea of necessarily needing to sign a 6ft 5 monster (which would rule out Gyokeres and Sesko)

    If we take Haaland for example, I don’t think he’s as good as he is because of his height, in many ways it’s despite his height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    Does he? based on what criteria. The Portuguese league is so inferior to the Bundesliga that a goal scoring comparison is not really a fair assessment. I’m far more impressed with the technique and strength of Sesko to be honest.

    Direct centre forwards are a bit of a rarity and the reason for that is for one reason or another they’ve gone out of style

    Gyokeres for me I expect at best to be at the level of a Teemu Pukki (would be great for a mid table team) and at worst either a Mateja Kezman or Mario Jardel.
    Well.... he's a striker, that scores goals.....

    I'm not sure what other criteria we need to be looking at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club View Post
    Well.... he's a striker, that scores goals.....

    I'm not sure what other criteria we need to be looking at?
    Chris Wood is a striker who can score goals I assume that you’re not saying that based on one season he would be good enough for Arsenal


    The criteria for any striker would be technique…how have these goals come about, can he score using both feet as well as his head, can he trap a ball, what’s his first touch like, is there a particular player who is providing him with assists and can those kind of assists be replicated by players at Arsenal, what is their shot to goals ratio….where are they scoring the goals from…

    And most importantly Is the difference between the quality of defenders in the league the striker is currently playing in with the premier league likely to prove to be an impediment to that player scoring goals for Arsenal?

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    There's some pretty appalling defences in the PL tbh

    As for whether we need a big guy I absolutely say yes, Leo and Martinelli have been incapable of ruffling defenders' feathers specifically because they don't have the right physical presence to mix it with CBs - that's why Arteta prefers Merino and rarely, I have to say I agree with him

    apparently Gyokeres, who's 6'2" btw, can score with both feet too
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    Id say we’ve discovered to our chagrin that defences in the premier league aren’t all that bad especially if they decide to sit deep and be organised.

    And if the response to that is well it’s because our attack is shit, well the only possible counter response would be…yes and is it going to be made better by someone who was playing championship level in his mid twenties. I’m sorry but that’s a big red flag for me.

    And Height and strength are not necessarily one and the same, I wouldn’t call Salah lacking physical strength yet he’s only 5ft 10. Having a good low centre of gravity helps. I’d also argue that Saka is a pretty hardy player you actually literally have to double up on him and foul him to get him off the ball.

    I guess I’m not that taken with the gangly centre forward that’s all elbows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club View Post
    Gyokores pisses all over Sesko (who supposedly Arteta wants) and is on a par with Isak (who we won't be getting), but considerably cheaper (around £68m by reports)

    He is a direct CF, which is what we need rather than an 'he plays here but could probably play there' type of player.
    I think this pretty much where I'm at too.

    I started off liking Sesko a year ago when we were linked to him, but watching him a bit more and probably ( and more importantly) not rating the metrics by which Arteta judges forwards makes me want him less and less every day.

    If my head rules my heart, Gyokeres probably tops my list for dependable strikers.......but I strongly think we need to bring in not one but 2 proper forwards this summer, so going for a cheaper Gyokeres makes sense if I'm hoping for a 2nd signing.

    HCZ mentions Jonathan David, which is ok with me as an additional member of the squad as he'll be on a free.

    But if my heart had its way, I'd go for Ekitike and Gyokeres this summer, we'd have flair and a possible superstar in one hand and a dependable Giroud like goal machine in the other hand.

    My heart isn't silly so it doesn't consider Isak as an option available to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    Chris Wood is a striker who can score goals I assume that you’re not saying that based on one season he would be good enough for Arsenal


    The criteria for any striker would be technique…how have these goals come about, can he score using both feet as well as his head, can he trap a ball, what’s his first touch like, is there a particular player who is providing him with assists and can those kind of assists be replicated by players at Arsenal, what is their shot to goals ratio….where are they scoring the goals from…

    And most importantly Is the difference between the quality of defenders in the league the striker is currently playing in with the premier league likely to prove to be an impediment to that player scoring goals for Arsenal?
    Except we aren't looking at Chris Wood

    The relevant point here is who is better Sesko or Gyokores (as they are the names we are supposedly targeting)

    Gyokores wins that battle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club View Post
    Except we aren't looking at Chris Wood

    The relevant point here is who is better Sesko or Gyokores (as they are the names we are supposedly targeting)

    Gyokores wins that battle.
    Does he? As I’ve asked is there an objective criteria for saying that given they play in completely different leagues

    Also if it were up to me I wouldn’t be signing only the one striker anyway. I’d be looking at signing Sesko and David myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    Does he? As I’ve asked is there an objective criteria for saying that given they play in completely different leagues

    Also if it were up to me I wouldn’t be signing only the one striker anyway. I’d be looking at signing Sesko and David myself
    Oh don't get me wrong, I agree that two CF's is the correct way to go in the summer as one just isn't enough.

    But yes, you look at any top list of forwards around the interweb, and Gyokores comes out above Sesko in all of them.
    Sesko would add quality to our attacking ability, but as a finisher Gyokeres is more clinical out of the two.

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