Now everyone is at it and the commercial benefits aren’t as important because of TV money exploding into another stratosphere. Back in the 00’s though where the club was a bit hamstrung with the stadium we definitely could have done better in this area.
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I don’t think I’ve ever dated someone who was interested in football. I consider that a good thing, I try and avoid discussing football and politics with the ladies….largely because it’s where my contrarian streak comes out.
I remember doing speed dating once for a laugh, and woman who was more into me than me her was boasting how she’d done this before and asked this guy how he’d voted in the 2016 referendum and was pleased with herself when after he said he’d voted leave, he couldn’t explain why he had. Instead of turning the tables on her and getting her to explain why she’d voted remain (all vibes I could tell) I just said “oh right” and smiled.
I voted Remain but I remember refusing to tell people in my office which way I thought they should vote. And I find nothing more obnoxious, smug or an indication of a false sense of superiority than judging other people on how they vote.
This was someone who made a point of telling me that her closest friends were a gay couple, as if it was a badge of honour. And I remember thinking “do you like them for them, or do you like being the type of person who says my best friends are gay”. I also thought I bet they don’t return her phone calls
You're shitting me!
I think it's valid to ask someone why they voted a certain way.I remember doing speed dating once for a laugh, and woman who was more into me than me her was boasting how she’d done this before and asked this guy how he’d voted in the 2016 referendum and was pleased with herself when after he said he’d voted leave, he couldn’t explain why he had. Instead of turning the tables on her and getting her to explain why she’d voted remain (all vibes I could tell) I just said “oh right” and smiled.
I voted Remain but I remember refusing to tell people in my office which way I thought they should vote. And I find nothing more obnoxious, smug or an indication of a false sense of superiority than judging other people on how they vote.
I also think it's valid to judge someone based on that reason
Likewise
I don’t think it’s even valid to ask someone how they voted in the first place, if they volunteer the information fine but otherwise mind your fucking business.
People who voted Remain or voted Leave, you can tell with many of them it’s less about understanding the issue than about trying to communicate a certain cultural vibe. I find that people no matter what side they are on, who judge other people on how they vote are a) not particularly very bright, you don’t have to agree with something in order to understand it b) you wonder how actually wedded to democracy they are when they think there’s a correct and incorrect option to vote for.
If the bloke had gone on about voting leave and had put the woman on the spot about why she voted Remain, he’d have been the prick in my view. And that’s why I decided not to give her a taste of her own medicine
Ultimately I find I have more respect for people who told me (volunteered the information, rather than me asking them) that they didn’t feel they knew enough to make such a decision. Far wiser to admit what you don’t know than to pretend you know, act superior because you think you’re one of the smart people and thumb your nose at others
Of course it is. It's equally valid for them to decline to answer.
I'm more interested in why people voted a certain way.I find that people no matter what side they are on, who judge other people on how they vote are
If you voted to leave because you don't like all them foreigners and a bus told you to then you're an idiot.
If you voted to remain because you thought the sky would fall in if we left then you're also an idiot.
That is actually most people. Which is why there shouldn't have been a referendum, IMO.Ultimately I find I have more respect for people who told me (volunteered the information, rather than me asking them) that they didn’t feel they knew enough to make such a decision.
Or at least not a vague "shall we stay where we are or shall we move house" one, when there was no indication of where we were moving to. One said said it was a shack with no roof, the other said it was a mansion in the sunlit uplands. Neither were true.
If you read Tim Shipman’s book on Brexit All out War, Cameron nor Osbourne wanted a referendum either…but basically the backbench Tories had made it clear that he should have called for a referendum on the signing of the Lisbon Treaty when leader of the opposition and that failure to call a referendum would result in a leadership challenge (which he’d probably lose)
I think it was probably inevitable anyway, given that had a referendum not been promised I think the Tories wouldn’t have got a majority (albeit slim) in 2015, and both Labour and the Tories would have lost seats to UKIP.
This was a time of increased nationalism including the SNP taking almost every seat in Scotland (the SNP might regard themselves as socially progressive, but the proposition of independence was much the same as Brexit)
So whilst i tend to agree in principle that especially given we are a representative democracy, that referendum was both unnecessary and unwise. I don’t think there was any getting away from one.
You can ask someone what colour underwear they are wearing, but it’s kind of bad form. I see it the same with asking people how they voted, unless you’re conducting a survey for an exit poll. You have to ask yourself why you need to know, ultimately if people want to tell you how they voted they will tell you. I look at it from the counsellors perspective, if you ask a client a deeply personal question are they really volunteering that information freely or do they feel like because of the power imbalance that they feel they have to answer.
I voted Remain, and I suspect if we entered a worm hole that took us back to 2016 I’d vote the same way again (although similarly whilst I’d probably vote to rejoin the single market, I wouldn’t vote to rejoin the EU)
Politics has always been more tribal than policy based anyway. Back in the 1950s my maternal grandmother told her husband she was voting Labour but secretly voted Tory. It wasn’t until the fraying of the post war consensus that there was that much difference between the parties. When Churchill got back in, in 1951 he did not overturn any of the changes the Atlee government brought in (it’s not widely known but even if the Tories had been elected in 1945 it’s likely there would still have been a National Health service as there was a white paper about such a plan).
It was really more a case of this far and no further…that and differences over social policy. The Tories were in the main still pro capital punishment, where as Labour was becoming increasingly more abolitionist (and they were in tune with public opinion which was against it from the mid 50s onward)
Being a working class Tory was about patriotism, and the left of Labour to this day still misunderstands the pull of this.
What puts the article in perspective is that Le Grove is a big Arteta cheerleader so on the surface at least for him to be concerned about this appointment because of the power it gives Arteta is certainly interesting.
However it’s not like he’s ever been uncritical of Arteta, he clearly feels that Arteta does not seem to deal well with Load management. But equally I think he’s also concerned about replicating a situation that we were in in Wenger’s last ten years which was essentially a power grab and that KSE are ok with this happening again because it means they can take a more hands off approach (which makes sense when you consider that to them Arsenal is a financial asset rather than a sporting project).
As for the evidence for these fears, I simply don’t know….i don’t know the type of working relationship he had with Diego Simeone at Atletico, I don’t know the reason why Berta left the club. I also don’t know whether Le Grove has hard evidence that other prospective candidates turned down Arsenal because of the setup they were being asked to work under (but equally it wouldn’t surprise me given what went before under Wenger)
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